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AR-15: The Right Firearm When Defending Against Multiple Home Invaders
The Truth About Guns ^ | 04/20/18 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 04/20/2018 10:30:40 AM PDT by Simon Green

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To: Spktyr

Racking a weapon is an announcement that there’s about to be a gunfight. If the other side doesn’t intend to have one, they may choose to flee. If they were expecting one, it has those downsides and more.


41 posted on 04/20/2018 12:14:09 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: golux

So you’ve provided an alternative, which can be effective. What exactly are you disagreeing with though?


42 posted on 04/20/2018 12:18:16 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: randomhero97

“...a suppressed SBR...”

I have one w/ laser and flashlight. Lots of fun to shoot at the range.


43 posted on 04/20/2018 12:57:42 PM PDT by Carriage Hill
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To: BBell

If they’re inside your home, all questions & warnings are complete. They’ve deliberately, with consideration & effort, breached your social & physical & legal boundaries. There is no need to “warn” them (they know the risks), there is no reason to keep a chamber empty just so you can waste time “warning” someone by filling it (when you may already need that round chambered), they have likely already prepared to confront you so you’re “warning” them of what they’re ready for.

.223 / 5.56 is notoriously unstable, likely to start tumbling & lose energy fast when having struck the first object - it’s not going to “pierce the walls of a dozen trailers”. Overpenetration has been well-addressed for this caliber, and is proven better than most.

A major point of using a carbine is accuracy & maneuverability: increasing odds of hitting the intended target, and so reducing other casualties.

Shotguns, however, have: limited capacity (don’t miss!), deep penetration (for some ammo), and the very same (& debatable) “spread” people tout as improving hit odds also improve odds others will be hit.


44 posted on 04/20/2018 12:59:05 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The Red Queen wasn't kidding.)
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So who's butt got hurt from the funny pic I posted and then reported it?

I thought the left had a monolopy over getting easily offended. Guess not.
45 posted on 04/20/2018 12:59:44 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: lurk

That would be the home invasion in Broken Arrow Oklahoma. Three invaders, three dead perps.


46 posted on 04/20/2018 1:02:38 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: lepton

Thank you for asking.

In a military environment one is always highly conscious of weapon status, etc. When a weapon must “sleep” for an extended period of time and then be used in a panic, any sane man would recommend the original “point and click” interface: a revolver and/or pump-action shotgun.


47 posted on 04/20/2018 1:03:11 PM PDT by golux
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To: Simon Green

“How far do you think 00 buck spreads 20 feet from the muzzle? “

IIRC, I tested something similar: 14” barrel, birdshot, spread was about 1” for each yard distance. Under 7” spread at 20 ft may improve your chances of a hit, but isn’t the “can’t miss” too many people believe in.


48 posted on 04/20/2018 1:10:46 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The Red Queen wasn't kidding.)
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To: lepton

“Racking a weapon is an announcement that there’s about to be a gunfight. If the other side doesn’t intend to have one, they may choose to flee.”

If the other side doesn’t intend to have one, they shouldn’t choose to breach an occupied home in the most-armed & gun-happy country in the world.


49 posted on 04/20/2018 1:15:26 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The Red Queen wasn't kidding.)
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To: BBell; All

It seems the mobile home was in a rural area by itself.

There was no mention of neighbors.

It is a very rural part of Florida.


50 posted on 04/20/2018 1:35:45 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Simon Green

shot guns are great if you live in Boston,
feel great while your are “sheltering in Place.”

in Texas shotguns work great for killing snakes.
but if you have a “front lawn” 300 yards long, you might pick an AR.

Just saying, shelter in place, in Texas that means bring more ammo.


51 posted on 04/20/2018 1:37:56 PM PDT by hadaclueonce ( This time I am Deplorable)
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To: ctdonath2

I should not have said rack a round. I keep one in the chamber and I’m quick enough that you can’t hear it rack. If you don’t hit any studs or furniture a 5.56 could go through a few trailers. Not much to a trailer but after Hurricane Andrew ripped up Homestead they did start making them better.


52 posted on 04/20/2018 1:47:06 PM PDT by BBell (calm down and eat your sandwiches)
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To: marktwain

No trailer park? Then have at it.


53 posted on 04/20/2018 1:49:45 PM PDT by BBell (calm down and eat your sandwiches)
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To: Vendome

The racking say,” I’d much rather get hit with that pea shooter than the buckshot I’m gonna hit you with”.
As for knowing where I am, just look for the muzzle flash.


54 posted on 04/20/2018 2:04:06 PM PDT by Keyhopper (Kill the mocking bird)
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To: Spktyr

The racking was your warning


55 posted on 04/20/2018 2:06:12 PM PDT by Keyhopper (Kill the mocking bird)
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To: BBell

Mine cheerfully shoots high and low brass just fine. The only thing it doesn’t like is Winchester Universal. Then again, there are pump guns that don’t like Winchester Universal (let alone other semis) and it eats the Federal equivalent just fine so I don’t see that as a problem.


56 posted on 04/20/2018 2:09:42 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: golux

My problem with the pump action shotgun is the ever present possibility of short-stroking under stress - which is why the military and many police departments have gone to semi-auto shotguns. Flip off safety, keep pulling trigger until the ammo runs out.


57 posted on 04/20/2018 2:12:21 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

I watched videos on youtube of lots of saigas shooting low brass. I bought a nice after market gas piston and gas regulator but to no avail. I sold the weapon and made a little.


58 posted on 04/20/2018 2:38:28 PM PDT by BBell (calm down and eat your sandwiches)
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To: BBell

Some few of them won’t, but mine is (and most are) perfectly happy firing any low brass that isn’t Winchester Universal. You may have had one of the ones with bad gas ports, aka the “vodka guns.”


59 posted on 04/20/2018 2:44:15 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

Should have spoke with you before I sold it but I get frustrated and rash and I didn’t want to go to a gunsmith. I got offered cash and I took it.


60 posted on 04/20/2018 3:09:05 PM PDT by BBell (calm down and eat your sandwiches)
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