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Why Aren’t College Students Learning Anything?
National Review ^ | June 13, 2018 | Brad Polumbo

Posted on 06/13/2018 4:55:49 AM PDT by C19fan

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To: C19fan

They’re the paying customers, and you have to be nice to the paying customers or they’ll go somewhere else. Teachers get paid based on their student feedback forms and the student feedback is completely correlated to how many A’s they give out. Once you can get an A without doing any work, the student’s problems are solved.


21 posted on 06/13/2018 5:39:00 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: Mouton

LOL!


22 posted on 06/13/2018 5:43:01 AM PDT by mewzilla (Has the FBI been spying on members of Congress?)
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To: C19fan

I love my college, especially after reading this article. The author talks about people who don’t have to read 40 pages in a semester? HA! I had a class last semester where you had to read 100 pages a week and another where you had to read 70. Most of my classes require a 500-word paper once or twice a week in addition to all of the tests, projects, and research papers.


23 posted on 06/13/2018 5:46:12 AM PDT by BlackAdderess (It's morning in America)
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To: C19fan

Women and transgender training, who cares what they learned.


24 posted on 06/13/2018 5:47:16 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: LumberJack53213

Excellent.

One of mine just graduated in Astronautical Engineering. He had two interviews with different space missions at the same company.

One offered a job the next day. He’s making almost what I do at the tail end of my career for his first job.

We knew he was going into a highly sought after and well compensated career so we loaned him college money rather than gave it to him.

My other son skipped college and just got his CDL. He has a previous volunteer commitment for summer and already has a driving gig lined up with a Pepsi distributor when he gets back. Again, it’s pretty well paid.

Here’s what’s wrong with colleges. Too many students going solely for the college experience and getting nebulous degrees with no real job market attached. Too many administrators funneling kids into the next hottest thing and saturating the market. Too many snowflake kids who thing they’re the next best thing to pre-sweetened Kool-Aid and the world owes them a living.

My engineer son went to a very small, private technical university. His largest class probably had 20 students. He knows the professors well enough that one of them recommended him for a college job at NASA. His NASA boss recommended him for the new job he just accepted last week.

There are no fluff classes in place just to gain revenue for the school. Almost every class pertained to his Major. Students declare a Major as Freshmen, not as Juniors.

They have no dorm and no cafeteria. On campus students have apartments with up to eight students, segregated by gender in each apartment.

They are responsible to purchase and prepare their own meals and keep the apartment clean with weekly RA inspections.

There are no segregated dorms or apartments. Some of his closest friends are from different cultures and none of them care beyond their geekdom.

One of the kids sent a text to his buddies when he was driving down from Summer break. It said “look out, the token black guy is on the way.”

These guys were all pretty mature and had fun with their differences rather than making a bog deal about it.

The Director of Student Affairs told my wife they have no real behavior problems. Last year, a couple Freshmen got caught smoking dope in the apartment. Expulsion followed.

Hmmmmm. Standards. Both academic and personal.


25 posted on 06/13/2018 5:52:05 AM PDT by cyclotic ( WeÂ’re the first ones taxed, the last ones considered and the first ones punished)
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To: Mogger

My youngest son just graduated from a 2 year degree course in “digital manufacturing” (high tech CNC machining) with certifications. Second in his class, right into a job at nearly $70,000 full benefits. Not too bad for a 20 year old “college kid”.


26 posted on 06/13/2018 5:58:04 AM PDT by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: ClearCase_guy

As an electrician and automation man, I read a lot of serious books, and I’m held accountable by code which is written by lawyers I’m fairly certain heh.

You have a good point. More people should be trained by a program in a field they want to be in rather than some expensive indoctrination facility.


27 posted on 06/13/2018 6:00:40 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: C19fan

Professors are discouraged, if tenured, to not to flunk students. If not tenured, most do not flunk if they want to keep their job.


28 posted on 06/13/2018 6:00:54 AM PDT by odawg
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To: C19fan

I spent the last three years teaching business law at the undergraduate and graduate levels. I was shocked to see the abysmal writing, expression and critical thinking levels of these students, even the ones in the Masters program. Literally less than 8th grade level. I graded them as they should be graded and several complained, but the highest compliments I got were from my former students who recommended that others take the class, “Because the judge makes you earn it.”


29 posted on 06/13/2018 6:02:55 AM PDT by jagusafr
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To: 9YearLurker
“And the vast majority of STEM majors are there primarily for vocational training — that could be handled online and/or at community colleges.”

Nope, have to disagree with you on that. However, the reality of the career versus the vision of an aspiring HS student or college freshman can be quite a disconnect, at least for some STEM professions.

30 posted on 06/13/2018 6:03:23 AM PDT by Hootowl99
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To: C19fan

They are too busy with ‘diversity’, hiding in their safe spaces, and protesting how they hate republicans.

THAT’S ALL THEY NEED TO KNOW thank you very much.


31 posted on 06/13/2018 6:04:28 AM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing Obamacare is worse than Obamacare itself.)
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To: Bulwyf
As an electrician and automation man, I read a lot of serious books

And just to be clear:

If someone is an English major, and they only read books recommended by Oprah, I think there is a problem. Have they read Jane Austen? W. Somerset Maugham? Kingsley Amis? Read any TS Eliot? What kind of English major are they?

If someone is a Political Science major, have they read "The Conservative Mind" by Russell Kirk? And Chesterton? Kissinger? Are they actually interested in politics? Or do they just watch Steven Colbert?

A lot of people outside of college read serious books of various types. A lot of college students don't actually seem to be interested in anything at all.

32 posted on 06/13/2018 6:08:29 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Yes, I get it - racism is bad and mutual respect and inclusion is good. But value Truth too.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

They sure seem to think they should be handed a high paying job for showing up and getting a paper saying they graduated though.


33 posted on 06/13/2018 6:10:19 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: BlackAdderess

” If the class is crowded you also have to deal with grading. If you have an adjunct they will be making very little money and unless they stand a chance of getting a promotion they will have few prospects.”

This is pretty much the definition, IMHO, of many freshman level classes. These I believe, serve a useful purpose in quickly weeding out students who cannot handle a demanding quantity of work, cant stay sober long enough to learn, and can’t manage their money. However, it is one big party until they drop out.


34 posted on 06/13/2018 6:14:08 AM PDT by Hootowl99
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To: ClearCase_guy
“...They think they know it all already...”

Too many college professors fit this description as well. The college level teaching and research profession would be well served by putting a premium on their professors having significant private sector experience in the real world.

35 posted on 06/13/2018 6:21:40 AM PDT by Hootowl99
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To: C19fan

Thomas Paine once said “to argue with a person without reason is like administering medicine to the dead”.

University administrators are all Liberal. In most cases UBER Liberal. As such, they can’t be reasoned with.

Trump needs to cut off their money. No more student loans.
This alone will drop the price of higher education and cause many of them to go out of BUSINESS .

Another Thomas Paine quote: ……….”what we obtain too cheaply we esteem to lightly”.

I WORKED when I went to college! So did my two kids who BOTH graduated from Texas A & M. These brats these days need to work!

A college professor, sometimes on dope, won’t assign a 20 page paper for students to write because the worthless bastard doesn’t want to read em and grade em!


36 posted on 06/13/2018 6:33:57 AM PDT by Cen-Tejas
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To: Hootowl99

There is a big difference between who you pass in the hallway at the beginning of the semester than at the end. Particularly in the Spring.


37 posted on 06/13/2018 6:34:37 AM PDT by BlackAdderess (It's morning in America)
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To: C19fan

Simple: Colleges are diploma mills, in it for the money. You don’t flunk your customers.


38 posted on 06/13/2018 6:36:49 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: C19fan
It has always been a function of the STUDENT to learn. College is merely a forum in which a student can get an education. Anytime one applies himself to studies, intellectual grown occurs even in the absence of knowledgeable and enthusiastic professors. Whenever one parties in school, not much learning occurs.

So, hit the books: knowledge gained. Hit the bottle: money and time lost forever.

39 posted on 06/13/2018 6:40:54 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: odawg

On the nose!


40 posted on 06/13/2018 6:44:27 AM PDT by mywholebodyisaweapon (Thank God for President Trump.)
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