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My Outline for a Federal Wealth Tax
08/01/2018 | Brian Griffin

Posted on 08/01/2018 12:06:00 PM PDT by Brian Griffin

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To: Brian Griffin

If illegals are granted amnesty and citizenship, this will happen.


161 posted on 08/01/2018 3:37:42 PM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.)
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To: freedumb2003

“And those who choose to NOT buy property do NOT get taxed after their initial toil tax.”

Their landlord does, and collects the needed amounts monthly.

Of course one can try being homeless.

Up north, the city police allegedly would drive the homeless into the sticks and take their shoes.

Down here, one officer allegedly pounded the head of a homeless man into the side of the bus shelter.

Ah, voluntary!


162 posted on 08/01/2018 3:39:55 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: The Pack Knight

Article I, Section 9, Clause 4: “No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.”

There could be an April 14 and an April 15 tax.

The April 14 tax could be a mix based on income and wealth, with fixed rates on wealth and variable rates on income by state, drawing equally on a per capita basis.

The April 15 tax would be a pure income tax, with complementary rates by state.

Article I, Section 9, Clause 4 isn’t going to shield left-leaning billionaires, so they had better lean right.


163 posted on 08/01/2018 3:51:50 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Brian Griffin

> I listed no rate for chattels. <

I took the “2% on the net worth in personal property financial holdings, other than common stock” to be the tax on chattel property.

And if chattel property (paintings, rare coins, etc.) truly is exempt from a holding tax, then lots of folks would would be investing in those, and avoiding stocks.


164 posted on 08/01/2018 3:58:42 PM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: Brian Griffin

165 posted on 08/01/2018 4:20:19 PM PDT by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: Brian Griffin

YOOYFM!


166 posted on 08/01/2018 4:32:38 PM PDT by elteemike (Light travels faster than sound...That's why so many people appear bright until you hear them speak)
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To: central_va
A wealth tax is way superior to the income tax, flat or otherwise.

We disagree profoundly. While an income tax is bad because it penalizes productivity, a wealth tax penalizes both productivity and thrift and is thus worse. I'd prefer a retail sales tax as our main source of funding, but that's a very long way off because it removes government's power over social engineering.

167 posted on 08/01/2018 4:40:34 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: Brian Griffin
Karl’s suggestion, plank 2 of the Communist Manifesto, was for a progressive income tax,

Of which I have, for years, advocated the abolition. You .... not so much.

Karl Marx never suggested a wealth tax, I believe. He was in favor of simply grabbing all the property

So you only want to grab some of it. This year. And more of it next year. And more the year after that ...

Piss off, Karl.

168 posted on 08/01/2018 5:08:00 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Brian Griffin
I gave an example of Terry & Paul having to pay a grand total of $1,200/year on $1.7 million in net worth.

Net worth narrows your target for this supplemental tax to those around age 55 who will have paid off their 30-yr mortgages - those past their peak earning years, least able to absorb a thousand dollar hit...

Every day workers show up at thousands of McDonald’s to work, few of who will ever see half of $1.7 million.

I'm sure there are, but the question they have to ask themselves is, why am I here after 6 months or a year? Why haven't I done something to improve my earnings/social standing? Why am I so comfortable "settling" for a minimum-wage manual labor boring as hell job? Why haven't I exploited my own talents? Or moved to where there is more opportunity?

In America today, every single person who is not severely handicapped by health or age has the opportunity make a decent living. Consider the young autistic man who turned his love for crazy socks into a multi-million dollar mail-order enterprise. Or those who relocated to shale oil country, clerical and grunts, and are banking $100K and more? There are people who make extra money (and, sometimes, valuable contacts) delivering groceries or training cats and go on to create a fulltime job for themselves. The secretary who goes into real estate or heavy equipment sales. The carpenter who free-lanced part time as a handyman and now owns his own custom shop. There will always be poor, those with poor health, poor judgement and poor iq-s. But most so-called poor are just 'settled,' and like the grasshopper to the ant, expect those who spent their lives working harder to set their tables.

169 posted on 08/01/2018 5:16:53 PM PDT by blueplum ( "...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017)
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To: Brian Griffin

“The interest on the debt may take over 50% of individual income tax during a weak economy.”

For that prediction to come true, debt service would have to be nearly 20% of GDP- 20% of GDP being the level that federal tax receipts have consistently run since 1945. Hauser’s law.

Nothing remotely like that has ever happened. Interest payments as a percentage of GDP reached their highest level ever in 1991, and that was 3.16% of GDP. It was 1.34% of GDP last year.

“We are getting tired of the low returns and are running down our bank balances. My money and your cheap debt financing are disappearing.”

And that has absolutely nothing to do with your wealth tax theory. It’s a consequence of a global savings glut and very low inflation. We had double digit interest rates in the late 70s, early 80s as a consequence of high inflation and a low savings rate.


170 posted on 08/01/2018 6:42:57 PM PDT by Pelham (California, Mexico's socialist colony)
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To: central_va
Move to Europe buddy. You have no clue how devastating a wealth tax is to the economy. THAT’s WHY AMERICA IS GREAT! We peasants here in the US are allowed to accumulate wealth unlike the peasants in socialist and communist countries.
171 posted on 08/01/2018 11:01:54 PM PDT by Chgogal (Sessions recused himself for shaking an Ambassador's hand. Shameful!)
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To: Brian Griffin
Huh? Heavy taxed states a la New York and California are losing populations to red states like Texas, Tennessee and Florida.
172 posted on 08/01/2018 11:07:32 PM PDT by Chgogal (Sessions recused himself for shaking an Ambassador's hand. Shameful!)
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To: Chgogal
We peasants here in the US are allowed to accumulate wealth unlike the peasants in socialist and communist countries.

The income tax is evil and progressive. It STOPS people from accumulating wealth.

173 posted on 08/02/2018 1:41:49 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: Pollster1

Explain how an income tax helps “thrift” if your money is TAKEN BEFORE YOU CAN EVEN INVEST IT OR SAVE IT?


174 posted on 08/02/2018 1:43:19 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: Brian Griffin

Gosh - do the Dems in the Congress know this? Might be time to tell them that some citizens are eager for some new taxes - instead of reining in wasteful spending.....


175 posted on 08/02/2018 2:46:40 AM PDT by trebb (Too many "Conservatives" who think their opinions outweigh reality these days...)
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To: central_va
Explain how an income tax helps “thrift” if your money is TAKEN BEFORE YOU CAN EVEN INVEST IT OR SAVE IT?

Taxes never contribute to thrift or to any other virtue. A tax on savings (wealth) hurts thrift because it punishes that thrift every year until the money is spent. The tax on income only punishes productivity once.

176 posted on 08/02/2018 3:29:34 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: Pollster1
Taxes never contribute to thrift or to any other virtue. A tax on savings (wealth) hurts thrift because it punishes that thrift every year until the money is spent. The tax on income only punishes productivity once.

Oh bull. They are both bad except the wealth tax is more fair to the young first starting out class. The wealth tax punishes geezers so a lot here don't like it.

177 posted on 08/02/2018 4:09:13 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: Brian Griffin

>>Most pots with 7 figures have gotten augmented by government overspending.

Feel free to tell me how your pot is different.<<

I don’t even know what that means.


178 posted on 08/02/2018 4:54:58 AM PDT by freedumb2003 ("Trump is such a liar. He said we'd be tired from all this winning" (/dfwgator 7/27/18))
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To: Brian Griffin

If you truly believe in this falderal you should run for something ... a bus, boat or plane to far South America would be a good start.


179 posted on 08/02/2018 5:00:26 AM PDT by Drumbo ("Democracy can withstand anything except democrats." - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Brian Griffin

IBTZ, Comrade!


180 posted on 08/02/2018 5:02:27 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Hillary: Go to jail. Go directly to jail. Do not pass GO. Do not collect 2 trillion dollars.)
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