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How a Pit Bull Can Change the World: The Incredible Legacy of Ray the Vicktory Dog
huffingtonpost.com ^ | May 22, 2016 | Arin Greenwood

Posted on 08/09/2018 2:44:03 PM PDT by kanawa

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To: Balding_Eagle
Do you shit in the punch bowl at parties too?

Only when I have diarrhea. It blends in better and adds fiber.

81 posted on 08/09/2018 6:06:15 PM PDT by BBell (Rebekah ist mein Erzfeind)
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To: Texan5

The Llama and the Donkeys took out their owners?? Wow.
Never heard of it before but it I guess it shouldn’t be a surprise,
get a big animal with a lot of weight behind it pissed off with you, bad things can happen.


82 posted on 08/09/2018 6:09:39 PM PDT by kanawa (Trump Loves a Great Deal)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
I have yet to grasp why anyone needs a pit bull. You can have any dog you want, but why must it be a pit bull, or a dogo? why a dog bred specifically to hunt and bite and be impervious to pain when in attack mode? why choose a dog thats going to turn off 1`/2 your neighbors? born with a bad rap and a worse breeding program? .. don't flame me about how great of a dog they are. because there are 1000’s of dogs that are every bit what a pit bull is without the nasty breeding past. And don't talk about “it's the owners because 99% of pit bull owners DON'T CONTROL THEIR DOG!. explain in simple terms why you want a pit bull over any other dog . A simple question, why? They offer nothing you can't get from many other breeds...
83 posted on 08/09/2018 6:11:04 PM PDT by Ikeon (maddy murry o'hare is not smiling, she's burning in hell.)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Much talk of the surge in ownership being tied to this...

http://i67.tinypic.com/35ba3q1.jpg


84 posted on 08/09/2018 6:14:42 PM PDT by kanawa (Trump Loves a Great Deal)
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To: kanawa
thank you for a decent reply. I understand for some people a dog is an extension of themselves. almost like putting on a suit or a leather jacket every morning. They don’ t feel right if they aren't dressed right. I can see having a pit bull if you owned a motorcycle shop and wanted people to see that shop lifting or breaking and entering would not be tolerated. or you hunt hogs or bear or cougars( the feline type). Or if you had s jewelery store in a bad part of town.
85 posted on 08/09/2018 6:36:29 PM PDT by Ikeon (maddy murry o'hare is not smiling, she's burning in hell.)
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To: Texan5

No, my posts don’t reflect that.

You have no idea how I feel or what I think about dogs, particularly large ones. You’re making assumptions about it based on my objection to dogs that are bred to kill.

There was no need for the breed to even be bred into existence except to kill for blood sport.

Not a very auspicious beginning.

As far as their *wonderful* traits, they have nothing to offer that any other large breed dog has to offer, with far less propensity to attack and kill unprovoked.

There are plenty of other large breed dogs that are intelligent, loyal, good watch dogs, great with kids, etc. without the inbred kill nature.


86 posted on 08/09/2018 6:48:18 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
Interesting there are never counter fact based arguments from pitbull apologists when we mention genetics and breeding that are more lethal than other “ dog bites”. I can respond to any thread with counter arguments, facts and points for discussion. The usual response is not a logical discussion about the specific issues with pit bulls but a blanket response “ dogs should be trained.” Gangs in the hood don’t “ not train or socialize” Labradors to get the effect they can with pit bulls. There's a reason they select the pitbull breed. Case closed You stated the fact well, gangs can't get out of a lab what they can get from a pit bull. Its tough to dispute this. I have asked why someone would chose a pit bull over any other breed unless they were hunting large game or needed a silent show of force in their business. Those with kids living in the neighborhood don't need a dog like that but, some folks like to play with fire.
87 posted on 08/09/2018 6:48:30 PM PDT by Ikeon (maddy murry o'hare is not smiling, she's burning in hell.)
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To: kanawa

It doesn’t happen often-but Llamas and Donkeys are notoriously bad tempered-the large animal vets out here never will work on one without the animal’s owner and a vet tech being hands-on help-you can get a kick that will break your leg or worse-Donkeys always seem pissed off at the least little thing, and the few times I’ve approached a fence closer than 5-6 ft to look at a pretty Llama, I’ve been spat on-yech! The reason people have them here is that they make great guard animals-bad tempered, noisy and prone to attack-like I said, I prefer horses-and dogs are easier to control as guard animals...


88 posted on 08/09/2018 6:51:00 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Ransomed

If it were simply training, then ALL breeds across the board would have the equal propensity to attack and maul or kill.

I can’t, no make that don’t cause I’ve seen how people treat other breeds of dogs, believe that all other dog breed owners are responsible and train their dogs well, except for pit owners.


89 posted on 08/09/2018 6:52:15 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: metmom

The Pitbull Terrier and the Bulldog were bred for fighting and bear baiting in Britain a couple of hundred years before any chollos/pachucos in the ‘hood ever heard of them-so were Mastiffs and Bullmastiffs-beautiful dogs-lots of them out here-two of the dogs-du-jour-but I would not approach one of them or any other neighbor’s guard dog without the owner telling the dog I’m okay-I don’t even get out of my truck in a customer’s driveway until the customer comes out to me-people did the same in my driveway when my Siberian Husky was alive-a guard dog is a guard dog. This is a rural area and different from cities and burbs-I would not have a large guard dog in a city-they are bred to a purpose and need to stay active and amused and I don’t think the city is an appropriate place for them-there is no need to stress the dog with a noisy, crowded environment-I think it is cruel-maybe people should be armed, like we all are out here-it beats getting sued and/or turning your companion dog into a neurotic and potentially biting wreck.


90 posted on 08/09/2018 7:20:26 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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91 posted on 08/09/2018 7:33:36 PM PDT by kanawa (Trump Loves a Great Deal)
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To: metmom

All of my dogs have loved cats and played with them-even my Husky-Huskies are supposedly vicious cat killers, but mine let my cats sleep on her bed with her for all 17 years of her life. My daughter’s AKC Pitbull shares food with her cats-my Husky girl never went that far-and she was not dogfriendly-especially small ones-my neighbor’s Yorkie loved to get under my gate when he was outside and had to be rescued from her jaws a couple of times-good thing it was winter-so he was wearing a little purple sweater that saved him.


92 posted on 08/09/2018 7:35:18 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: CaptainK
"It figures the pitbull loving article How a Pit Bull Can Change the World: The Incredible Legacy of Ray the Vicktory Dog is from the leftist Huffington Post."

And a goodly portion of the anti-pit bull *information* posted on this forum comes from Merritt Clifton who makes the HuffPo look like the Limbaugh Letter.

93 posted on 08/09/2018 7:39:54 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: BitWielder1

dogs can be trained. Most are not. Mine are an exception. Grew up with hounds, border collies, pointers, and cutting horses. No untrained animals on our place. Kids are trained too!


94 posted on 08/09/2018 7:41:06 PM PDT by nobamanomore
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To: metmom

“If it were simply training...”

It’s not simply training. I wouldn’t want to be shrunk down to mouse size in front of the most well trained rat terrier.

“I can’t, no make that don’t cause I’ve seen how people treat other breeds of dogs, believe that all other dog breed owners are responsible and train their dogs well, except for pit owners.”

Not sure what you mean here. I just want to know if trained pits attack their owners, and how that compares to other trained dogs. I am not defending pit bulls, maybe the trained ones do attack or snap.

Freegards


95 posted on 08/09/2018 7:42:13 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Joe 6-pack

Most of the pitbull articles I’v seen are just newspaper links to actual pitbull attacks.


96 posted on 08/09/2018 7:42:37 PM PDT by CaptainK ("no collusion, no obstruction, he's a leaker")
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Pitbullfacts.org


97 posted on 08/09/2018 8:07:37 PM PDT by GranTorino (Bloody Lips Save Ships.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Pitbullfacts.org
Did you go to this site?


98 posted on 08/09/2018 8:12:56 PM PDT by GranTorino (Bloody Lips Save Ships.)
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To: LuvFreeRepublic

Added, thanks for joining!


99 posted on 08/09/2018 8:15:28 PM PDT by kanawa (Trump Loves a Great Deal)
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To: Ikeon

I’m not discussing Pittys. I’m discussing the hate and vulgarity that fills these threads. Most of the really nasty stuff is spewed by the Pitty haters at other people.

Love the dogs, hate the dogs. But act like civilized adults. This is the last of these threads I will participate in. I will no longer tolerate the vileness that pervades them. I don’t take that crap from liberals and I damn sure won’t take it from ersatz conservatives.

Over all, even in other topics I see the deterioration of basic common courtesy on FR. If it wasn’t such a good clearinghouse of information I think I would just not bother anymore.

For the record, I don’t own a Pitty, I’ve worked with them as rescues and probably know more about them than most of the participants in these threads. But if I did own one (yes, I happen to like them), I would see no need to justify it to you or anyone else.

I will not respond to anything else in this thread. I have had my say.


100 posted on 08/09/2018 8:30:11 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60's....You weren't really there)
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