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Covered with Glory: The 26th North Carolina Infantry at the Battle of Gettysburg
https://www.amazon.com ^ | March 1, 2010 | Rod Gragg

Posted on 09/01/2018 7:30:09 PM PDT by NKP_Vet

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To: wgmalabama

I don’t venerate the Confederacy any more then I do the Nazis. Or any other political entity that felt itself superior because of some notion of politics or race. The Civil War was a dark, violent and tragic period in American history and Davis and his Fire Eaters and the Southern power elites who clamored for it have the blood on their hands.


21 posted on 09/02/2018 10:43:01 AM PDT by jmacusa (Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: jmacusa

As do many. History can teach us much.


22 posted on 09/02/2018 11:12:23 AM PDT by wgmalabama (The government murdered Robert LaVoy Finicum - what makes you think you are not next?)
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To: wgmalabama

“As do many’’. That’s a relativist statement to be sure.


23 posted on 09/02/2018 11:51:13 AM PDT by jmacusa (Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: jmacusa

Not for a long time. As long as cash crop agriculture was profitable, slavery would have continued to exist in the Confederacy. It would have taken an Amendment to the Confederate Constitution to allow its member states to outlaw the institution.


24 posted on 09/02/2018 2:30:04 PM PDT by Bull Snipe (")
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To: jmacusa
And if the South had won the war would it have freed the slaves?

Immediately at the end of the war? No, probably not.
Years after the war? Yes, probably so.
They would have been emancipated, IMO.
Since many slaves were field hands then mechanized farm equipment
would eventually make them too expensive to own/maintain.
Would you prefer a tractor or a mule?
Sorry if that sounds crass, but they were an asset/property at that time.

Does it offend you that someone has a different view than you of impossible things?

25 posted on 09/02/2018 3:28:07 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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If cotton was still king, not until the 1920s. The first successful cotton picking machine did the work of 40 field hands. The issue was not a tractor or a mule. It was what did take to get the crop to the gin. In the Confederate state, I could see that lasting into the early 20th century.


26 posted on 09/02/2018 3:40:18 PM PDT by Bull Snipe (")
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To: philman_36

If cotton was still king, not until the 1920s. The first successful cotton picking machine did the work of 40 field hands. The issue was not a tractor or a mule. It was what did take to get the crop to the gin. In the Confederate states, I could see that lasting into the early 20th century.


27 posted on 09/02/2018 3:41:14 PM PDT by Bull Snipe (")
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To: philman_36
No. I get offended by bullsh!t. The South went to preserve slavery. Not end it or see it wither away. It intended to not only preserve in the Confederacy but sought to expand it in into new territories in the West.
28 posted on 09/02/2018 10:11:03 PM PDT by jmacusa (Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: Bull Snipe
They could have outlawed it without having to have seceded.
29 posted on 09/02/2018 10:13:21 PM PDT by jmacusa (Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: jmacusa

Under the U.S. Constitution, they could have. But that was not going to happen. Once they seceded, the new Confederacy firmly entrenched the institution of slavery in their Constitution.


30 posted on 09/03/2018 2:23:38 AM PDT by Bull Snipe (")
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To: jmacusa
No. I get offended by bullsh!t.

No, you spew BS.

The South went to preserve slavery.
And thus your whole agenda for being on this thread is exposed.
You have no interest in the opinion of others, you're here to suppress the opinions of others and to enforce your own.
So transparent.

31 posted on 09/03/2018 4:04:18 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: jmacusa
And if the South had won, what would we look like today as a nation?

See? From start to finish you have had no real interest in the opinion of others, you just wanted to start a fight.

32 posted on 09/03/2018 4:08:21 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Bull Snipe
The issue was not a tractor or a mule. It was what did take to get the crop to the gin. In the Confederate states, I could see that lasting into the early 20th century.

Yet you make my point for me.
Tractor (increased reliability/durability/productivity) over the mule.

You get more to the market/cotton gin with machinery..as you know.
The first successful cotton picking machine did the work of 40 field hands.
What do you suppose the farmer is going to do with those extra field hands?

Sell them, keep them, or free them?
Can't sell them, nobody else wants to buy them now with mechanized gear available.
Can't keep them, they cost too much money now with mechanized gear available.
Free them...about the only thing you can do to keep afloat financially.

33 posted on 09/03/2018 4:30:37 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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Since you have a vision of what the South would be what is your vision of what the North would be?

After over one hundred and fifty years I’d hate to think.

You can't articulate your Northern States' post war vision, but you have no problem whatsoever pushing the Southern States' Slavery meme.

Telling.

34 posted on 09/03/2018 4:39:50 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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That machinery was not available for decades later than 1860. The Southern planters would have continued to use millions of slaves to tend their crops and households. Once reliable tractors and crop harvesters became available around 1900, the planters would have shifted to their use. My point is that it would have been 40 years or more before slavery ended in the Confederacy.


35 posted on 09/03/2018 5:31:42 AM PDT by Bull Snipe (")
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To: philman_36

I asked a simple question. And stated a simple fact. And you start fulminating. Screw you, Lost Causer.


36 posted on 09/03/2018 8:31:08 AM PDT by jmacusa (Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: Bull Snipe

‘’ Once the seceded, the new Confederacy firmly entrenched the institution of slavery in their Constitution’’. That’s a fact. Something the Johnny Rebs here just can’t stand when it’s pointed out to them.


37 posted on 09/03/2018 8:34:19 AM PDT by jmacusa (Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: Bull Snipe
My point is that it would have been 40 years or more before slavery ended in the Confederacy.
As was my point earlier as well...Years after the war? Yes, probably so.
I never posited it wouldn't end, only that it wouldn't end instantly, just as you do.
38 posted on 09/03/2018 9:49:31 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: jmacusa
I asked a simple question.
No, you didn't. You threw out bait.
You reeled in a shark and almost got bit.

Screw you, Lost Causer.
Does that mean you're taking your fishing reel and you're going home?

39 posted on 09/03/2018 9:56:45 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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Nope. I’m not going anywhere and tell yourself whatever you want Reb. I asked a simple question in the interest of a discussion, that’s all. But it’s easy to see you take offensive at nothing pretty quickly.


40 posted on 09/03/2018 12:25:59 PM PDT by jmacusa (Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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