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McCain Forrestal incident (vanity)
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Posted on 09/03/2018 3:11:10 PM PDT by Bell Bouy II

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1 posted on 09/03/2018 3:11:10 PM PDT by Bell Bouy II
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To: Bell Bouy II

Not trying to support the guy as I disliked him immensely, only need to correct some false info coming my way on this and only this incident,

Thanks in advance


2 posted on 09/03/2018 3:13:02 PM PDT by Bell Bouy II
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https://www.google.com/search?q=forrestal+fire&oq=forresta&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j0l3j69i61.5785j0j8&client=tablet-android-samsung&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8


3 posted on 09/03/2018 3:13:34 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1)
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To: Bell Bouy II
Welcome to FR   (II=again? ;-)
4 posted on 09/03/2018 3:14:18 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: TexasGator

Thanks was wondering about some NAVAIR type reports.


5 posted on 09/03/2018 3:15:54 PM PDT by Bell Bouy II
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To: Bell Bouy II

I am posting link to a well researched story
But the strongest indicators that McCain screwed the pooch are in his own behaviors and unguarded comments, his persistent lies about what happened that day, and in the shunned community reaction to him by the Forrestal survivors to this day

I believe a forensic psychologist could trace his subsequent reckless flight over Vietnam that got him shot down ( more persistent lies about what occurred) and even the way the NViets, Cubans and possibly Russians broke him emotionally while he was a POW

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/investigating-john-mccains-tragedy-at-sea/#.Va5aMEmVXUw.mailto


6 posted on 09/03/2018 3:23:21 PM PDT by silverleaf (A man who kneels for the national anthem doesn't stand for much of anything)
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To: Bell Bouy II

It was ruled accidental.


7 posted on 09/03/2018 3:25:34 PM PDT by Don Corleone (Nothing makes the delusional more furious than truth.)
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To: silverleaf

Great handle, sir !


8 posted on 09/03/2018 3:27:32 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: Bell Bouy II
A book length treatment of the incident, which inflicted as much damage and casualties as a major combat incident, is titled, I believe, ‘Shipmates Together’. While people dislike Wikipedia its article is very detailed even to having schematics showing aircraft locations. While I detest John M I do not think he did anything wrong in this unfortunate affair.
9 posted on 09/03/2018 3:27:44 PM PDT by robowombat (Orthodox)
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To: Bell Bouy II

Did McPain do a wet start that caused the missile on the A-4 behind him to fire?

It was a perfect storm... 134 dead.. using old unsafe Korean War bombs stacked on deck....


10 posted on 09/03/2018 3:28:08 PM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: robowombat

T Y


11 posted on 09/03/2018 3:33:09 PM PDT by Bell Bouy II
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To: Don Corleone

Of course it was
And not one single finding was logged of anyone responsible in any way whatsoever for 134 deaths, 160 injuries and $72 million in damage

Astoundingly merciful treatment of an entire ship complement and all higher brass by a navy that would strip an officer of his career for ....

Unless of course naming even one officer responsible in any way would have required release of far more details of the chain of events, leading to...


12 posted on 09/03/2018 3:36:11 PM PDT by silverleaf (A man who kneels for the national anthem doesn't stand for much of anything)
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To: Bell Bouy II

A credible report:

https://www.history.navy.mil/browse-by-topic/disasters-and-phenomena/forrestal-fire.html

A Zuni missile from a F-4 was launched and struck McCain’s A-4. McCain was not responsible for the missile launch or responsible for the fire control operation. He was able to escape his burning aircraft.


13 posted on 09/03/2018 3:36:27 PM PDT by centurion316 (Back from exile from 4/2016 until 4/2018.)
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To: Bell Bouy II
My promised article concerning McCain and the USS Forrestal(CV-59) Fire

Documentary: USS Forrestal Aircraft Carrier Disaster 1:25:00

John McCain escapes Forrestal explosion 1:17 Raw film of the Forrestal fire.

Diagram of planes on Forrestal deck.

NS025929.– This diagram was taken from a drawing provided by USS Forrestal and shows the location of CVW-17 aircraft spotted for launch moments before the fire broke out. From "Naval Aviation News," October 1967 issue.

FReeper dunblak was on the Forrestal during the fire.

McCain and the Forrestal fire 3:23 Aug. 3, 2008 (Democrat election propaganda)

That Youtube video is where the Democrat propaganda about the BS "Wet Start" began.

14 posted on 09/03/2018 3:37:45 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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Far more likely, McCain DID “wet start” his engines several times before as a stunt against his fellow pilots. This time, he didn’t . But, McCain ‘s REPUTATION for such dangerous stunts DID cause rumors and claims below deck that were so serious McCain was sent off ship to avoid being murdered by the crew of the Forestal .


15 posted on 09/03/2018 3:38:13 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (The democrats' national goal: One world social-communism under one world religion: Atheistic Islam.)
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I read one account from soameone there who said it wasn’t McCain’s fault but he was hated for not sticking around to help


16 posted on 09/03/2018 3:39:21 PM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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That was bad enough, but then he ran down below deck, while all the others ran to help. He watched what was happening on video!

Subsequently, left the ship with a reporter for some R and R.

What kind of a person does that??/

That is the REAL Mr. McCain.


17 posted on 09/03/2018 3:41:38 PM PDT by Maris Crane
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To: over3Owithabrain

Navy vessels have designated damage control parties. Naval aviators aren’t assigned to these damage control parties and most crewmen would think that they would just get in the way.


18 posted on 09/03/2018 3:43:29 PM PDT by centurion316 (Back from exile from 4/2016 until 4/2018.)
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To: over3Owithabrain

I read one account from soameone there who said it wasn’t McCain’s fault but he was hated for not sticking around to help
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Well hell, the officer’s club in Saigon needed him ASAP.


19 posted on 09/03/2018 3:44:30 PM PDT by House Atreides (BOYCOTT the NFL, its products and players 100% - PERMANENTL)
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To: silverleaf

Thanks for that great link. I knew McCain was full of shiite.

Are his military records still not released? Man, would I love to see Trump quietly let them out. Hell, I’d pay good money for that.


20 posted on 09/03/2018 3:45:12 PM PDT by Basket_of_Deplorables (Sessions IS "The Insurance Policy.")
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