[Bell Bouy II]

Not trying to support the guy as I disliked him immensely, only need to correct some false info coming my way on this and only this incident,

Thanks in advance

[TexasGator]

https://www.google.com/search?q=forrestal+fire&oq=forresta&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j0l3j69i61.5785j0j8&client=tablet-android-samsung&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

[tomkat]

Welcome to FR   (II=again? ;-)

[silverleaf]

I am posting link to a well researched story
But the strongest indicators that McCain screwed the pooch are in his own behaviors and unguarded comments, his persistent lies about what happened that day, and in the shunned community reaction to him by the Forrestal survivors to this day

I believe a forensic psychologist could trace his subsequent reckless flight over Vietnam that got him shot down ( more persistent lies about what occurred) and even the way the NViets, Cubans and possibly Russians broke him emotionally while he was a POW

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/investigating-john-mccains-tragedy-at-sea/#.Va5aMEmVXUw.mailto

[Don Corleone]

It was ruled accidental.

[robowombat]

A book length treatment of the incident, which inflicted as much damage and casualties as a major combat incident, is titled, I believe, ‘Shipmates Together’. While people dislike Wikipedia its article is very detailed even to having schematics showing aircraft locations. While I detest John M I do not think he did anything wrong in this unfortunate affair.

[tired&retired]

Did McPain do a wet start that caused the missile on the A-4 behind him to fire?

It was a perfect storm... 134 dead.. using old unsafe Korean War bombs stacked on deck....

[centurion316]

A credible report:

https://www.history.navy.mil/browse-by-topic/disasters-and-phenomena/forrestal-fire.html

A Zuni missile from a F-4 was launched and struck McCain’s A-4. McCain was not responsible for the missile launch or responsible for the fire control operation. He was able to escape his burning aircraft.

[TigersEye]

My promised article concerning McCain and the USS Forrestal(CV-59) Fire

Documentary: USS Forrestal Aircraft Carrier Disaster 1:25:00

John McCain escapes Forrestal explosion 1:17 Raw film of the Forrestal fire.

Diagram of planes on Forrestal deck.

NS025929.– This diagram was taken from a drawing provided by USS Forrestal and shows the location of CVW-17 aircraft spotted for launch moments before the fire broke out. From "Naval Aviation News," October 1967 issue.

FReeper dunblak was on the Forrestal during the fire.

McCain and the Forrestal fire 3:23 Aug. 3, 2008 (Democrat election propaganda)

That Youtube video is where the Democrat propaganda about the BS "Wet Start" began.

[cynwoody]

Here was the deck configuration when the incident occurred:

The incident began when, due to an electrical malfunction when the plane switched to internal electric power, #110 fired a Zuni air-to-air missile across the deck, striking #405, piercing a fuel tank and starting a fire. The Zuni's warhead did not detonate, the pilot not yet having armed it. McCain scrambled out of #416, crawled forward along his refueling boom, and dropped to the deck, escaping the rapidly growing fire. The pilot of #405 was not so lucky.

Note that McCain's exhaust was pointed out over the water. Therefore, all tales of the disaster having been caused by McCain wet-starting his engine are fake news.

It did not help that the Forrestal's bombs were WW2-vintage and had deteriorated, making them prone to cook off earlier than would have been the case for fresh ordnance.

You can view an 85-minute documentary on the disaster here.

[Bell Bouy II]

Thanks for all the input.

Great links and info.

Happy Labor Day

[pfflier]

One book that is detailed is Sailors to the End Authored by Gregory A Freeman.

It said outright that the Zuni rocket was from an F-4 across the deck hitting a fuel tank in the ready A-4s.

McCain was armed with very old 500 lb bombs (WWII vintage bought back from the Philippine military) that would not have met contemporary safety standards. Dropped or not, their cookoff time was very short.

The official accident report cited a weapons system safety violation by the deck ordnance crews where they connected the pylon connectors prior to spotting the F-4 to the deck location specified by SOPs. The connection allowed a transient voltage to fire the Zuni.

If armed on the catapault just before launch as specified in the procedures, the Zuni would have had clear way down the deck and into the sea.

There is absolutely no credence to the "wet start" scenario that conspirators love to talk about.

[amigatec]

According to a former Navy Sailor I used to work with, the reason the missile fired was because the person who mounted the missile on the aircraft didn't check to make sure the fire switch was in the off position first.

His job in the Navy was to load bombs and missiles on aircraft on the flight deck.

I still doubt this as the real cause, because i believe as soon as the wiring was attached to the missile it should have fired.

[John S Mosby]

So, in re; the Truth Dig article.... one wonders whatever happened to Lt. j.g Dollarhide who witnessed McCain talking to the “faceless” burned plane captain Robert Zwerlein (McCain’s own plane captain, whom he said he watched die in the sick bay onboard— when in fact, Zwerlein died 3 days later on the USS Repose... while McCain had by that time made it for “R&R” in Saigon_. What happened to Dollarhide?

McCain’s co-demon in ignoring the POW-MIAs left after the Paris Peace Accords— his war monger partner, Henry Kissinger-— !!- spoke at his funeral. Sick and disgusting bastard, knowingly gave up the remaining POWs to let the NV and VC murder them. And McCain covered up and buried Kissinger’s actions, and denied the families any answers which he knew full well. Watching Cindy McCain being escorted to the Vietnam Memorial by Gen. Mattis and Gen. Kelly and some Navy aide-— was disgusting enough as regards this long running fraud. Only thing worse would be John fn Kerry-— with is idiotic mentality, and his French-Iranian connections, gigolo boy.

[Rockingham]

I heard the story that, as a prank, McCain deliberately injected a shot of fuel into his jet engine so that it suddenly blasted out a jet of fire. This startled one or more pilots and the nearby deck crew into the mistakes that touched off the conflagration. Benefitting from his father's influence, McCain's role in the tragic accident was supposedly suppressed by the Navy.

It should be kept in mind though that despite controversies about the details of McCain's military conduct and record, his later suffering as a POW was real, as was his declining to be released early. This was heroism in service to our country.

The better approach is to demonstrate that McCain's political record is highly questionable and full of errors, with much grandstanding, posturing, and disloyalty that undermined the GOP. In effect, McCain's defects of personality made him a flawed and unreliable political figure for the GOP.

Shrewdly, the media and the Democrats shamelessly praised McCain and catered to his ego. The harm this did fell mostly on the GOP. Most notably, McCain's great ambition was to become President. Yet, winning the GOP nomination in 2008, McCain ran an epically inept general election campaign.

McCain's fundamental lack of good sense was on full public display when, after the financial markets melted down in 2008, he suspended his campaign and asked for a meeting in Washington to discuss possible solutions. McCain left the impression that he had a plan to offer.

Instead, McCain showed up with nothing. He asked the others in the meeting what ideas they had, resulting in a desultory and fruitless discussion. Obama, who was present, grinned when he heard McCain admit that he had nothing to offer, seeing it as confirmation that he and his allies were correct in assessing that the entire meeting was yet more empty grandstanding from McCain.

Oddly, McCain and Trump both had big egos and obvious similarities in their personalities. I surmise that McCain was deeply jealous and resentful of Trump's success in actually winning the Presidency as an outsider running his campaign on the fly.

[miliantnutcase]

As ugly as that incident was it made the Navy revaluate it’s munition handling and damage control.

[stylin19a]

interesting read here. If you want a history of the MCANNs(McCains) - start at part one and prepare to have your jaw drop

http://www.whale.to/b/nicoloff.html#Part_2_

[stylin19a]

That should be McCanns not MCANNS

[doorgunner69]

Only part of the bogus stories I know is BS is the bomb dropping thing. You cannot do that by yourself. There is an interlock in the landing gear to prevent anything like that even if you wanted to. How it was on the F-4 and I cannot see any reason the A-4 would be set up differently.

IF someone manually closed the switch, it might be possible to drop the bombs on the deck. No can do from the cockpit.

[logi_cal869]

I recommend the well-sourced links by TigersEye at this post, including my own.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3682655/posts