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To: HamiltonJay
Batman made everything dark and dreary. Marvel has some of that but balances it with some light hearted stuff. Iron Man and Spider Man are not dark and angst ridden in the films, for example. Captain America kinda is angst ridden. So they walk a line.

DC tried to make Superman a bit like Batman. A tragic emotionally scarred guy. Was the world really hoping for a sad-sack Superman in a grim-dark suit? Nope. At least they struck gold with Wonder Woman. That was a great movie. Wonder Woman is not portrayed as some grim warrior but rather a determined and optimistic but somewhat naive fish out of water on a mission to save the world, even though she doesn't really know how. Nice change.

I've seen a lot of the comic book movies but I'm getting bored of them. They are mostly all the same. My two favorites were Captain America: Winter Soldier and Wonder Woman. Because the first played out like a conspiracy thriller spy movie, a serious tone but one which I really liked. And because the second was a just plain fun, well written, well acted, well made action film. Honorable mention: Lego Batman. Really, not kidding.

35 posted on 09/12/2018 12:24:09 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: pepsi_junkie

Batman is DARK, he’s always been the angst ridden DC character... watched his parents murdered, lives in a gritty city.. fighting corruption and crime in a battle that is largely futile, but keeps doing it night after night anyway.... Takes up the mantle of the bat to help intimidate, lives in the shadows.... etc etc etc.. You can’t get more angst ridden and anti-hero than the more adult batman renditions...

DC absolute effed Superman... Superman ISN’T DARK... if anything he’s the complete antithesis of dark... He’s Truth, Justice, the American Way... he’s A Boy Scout.. he does what is right, as he sees it, no matter the cost to himself... he is who he is because of it.... he’s the ideal.. He’s the character that would be just as willing to lay down his life to save 1 person in the dark with no one watching to know he had done it, as he would to lay down his life in front of millions to protect entire world. Their attempt to turn him into this was STUPID.

Batman V Superman was a wretchedly bad film for a lot of reasons, but one of the biggest was, because WB had screwed the characters up, they needed a pointless 3rd person in the storyline to get Batman and Superman to fight... when it was the fundamentally different world views that would draw them into confrontation and conflict. The Dark Cynical fatalist faced with a virtually indestructible alien who seems too good to be true, who puts faith in the system to a fault... of course they would, given the right set of circumstances be on opposite sides.

Then to shoehorn in doomsday for no real reason as well... It was a fustercluck.

They are doing the same mistakes with Aquaman... He’s not a wise cracking angst ridden bad arse... The character does have darkness in him, but it doesn’t manifest itself the way they seem to want to take him on film... He’s a character stuck between two worlds, belonging fully to neither... He will die to protect both of them, an yet still is not accepted fully by them...

My expectations of the film is it will be formulaic and largely forgettable, not because there is no depth to the character (and Aquaman doesn’t get the respect he deserves, he’s been in regular monthly for most of the past 60 years). I’d love to be proven wrong, his portrayal wasn’t as bad as I expected in Justice League.. we shall see how his independent film is.. but I am not expecting much.


43 posted on 09/12/2018 12:40:54 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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