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I am trying to give this issue 'visibility'. I have written both of my senators and my congressman. And I have written the White House. But the nomination of Justice Kavanaugh has hurt America that issues like this might lost in the 'noise'.

I feel what Obama did was stupid. President Trump has had to deal with a number of messes. I sometimes refer to Obama as 'Obama-mess', but I feel he had earned that title.

As far as I am concerning wasting over a billion dollars in tax money is a 'worthy news item' to address.

I would hope the White House would read this article. I would hope the CNO and US Navy Secretary would have 'visibility' of these.

This is part of 'Making America Great Again': having more ships to defend the United States and giving our Armed Forces the tools they need.

1 posted on 10/09/2018 10:16:24 AM PDT by topher
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Have we ever had to scrap a CVN?

Big E is the first right?

So how do you keep a nuclear ship in reserve? They scrapped all the Long Beach class.


2 posted on 10/09/2018 10:19:05 AM PDT by PittsburghAfterDark (The American media: We do what the Soviet media did without the guns to our head.)
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I know the current Big E is decommissioned and the next one is due to be launched in 2025?
so your idea makes sense
Unless the cost of keeping it operational is just too prohibitive


3 posted on 10/09/2018 10:19:29 AM PDT by RWGinger (Does anyone else really)
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An example of something 'clouded' by another historical event is the 'famous' escapade of Corporal Alvin York.

It was lost in the news because that was at the time in World War I that the 'Lost Battalion' was found.

Corporal Alvin York later was promoted to Sargent and was awarded the 'Congressional Medal Honor'.

In my opinion, it was not in God's plan for Alvin to receive publicity so soon...

4 posted on 10/09/2018 10:20:26 AM PDT by topher (America, please Do The Right Thing!)
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BTW - a lot of good Navy stuff has traditionally been posted by Jeff Head, but I see his last post was March 2018 — did we lose Jeff? He’s not on the Memorial Wall.


5 posted on 10/09/2018 10:21:21 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The MSM is in the business of creating a fake version of reality for political reasons.)
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I’m sure that scrapping it is cheaper than running it. This is a nuke boat, after all.


6 posted on 10/09/2018 10:21:34 AM PDT by dinodino
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I guess the question would be how much would it cost to refurbish/maintain the USS Enterprise over the expected lifetime of the ship (in reserve) versus what it would cost to scrap it.

Another option might be to sell it to an ally, though our CVN’s are expensive to maintain and the power plant probably needs repairs.

Cost analysis is the best option at this point; has the Navy already done one?


7 posted on 10/09/2018 10:21:41 AM PDT by SleeperCatcher
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$1.55 billion to scrap it?????

Use it for torpedo practice over a deep part of the ocean.


9 posted on 10/09/2018 10:23:14 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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Enterprise has been defueled and they have already removed steel to be used in the new Ford Class Enterprise.


10 posted on 10/09/2018 10:23:35 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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Well, how much you want to spend to keep the Big E in in good reserve shape? I imagine it has need of being refueled. That’s 8 reactors. Not a trivial, or inexpensive proposition. And can reactors be shut down cold, and then mothballed?

Are you going to update radars, comms, and other electronic systems to keep them up to date?

More CVNs are due to retire soon. Best learn how to decommission them.


16 posted on 10/09/2018 10:33:45 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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Decommissioning and replacement was scheduled way back in the 1990s, time to let her go.


17 posted on 10/09/2018 10:36:54 AM PDT by chemical_boy
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Whatever happens to her, I will never forget leaning on the port side 02 level rail of the 1943 tin can I called home for a couple of years on a perfect Sunday afternoon in the flat-as-glass Tonkin Gulf as the Enterprise made a top-end run to the east. My ship was off the Big E’s starboard side, the closest escort. The escorts were steaming maybe 20 knots and the Enterprise was close to the western horizon when the steam started pouring out of her stacks. In a few minutes she blew past us with a rooster tail as high as her flight deck and a wake that put us on a 20* roll. Shortly thereafter she disappeared into the eastern horizon. My buddy on the surface radar in CIC called down to me when I had gotten back to the radio shack and said that our surface radar was unable to track any contact moving over 65 knots and that 65 passed that velocity before the horizon. That’s some heavy truckin’, kiddies.


18 posted on 10/09/2018 10:44:46 AM PDT by VietVet876
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The Big E has already been defueled and essentially gutted in the process of sealing and removing each of its’ EIGHT reactor plants. It was the first of its’ kind, and as such is rather unique. There is no way to recover or restore her.


21 posted on 10/09/2018 11:02:27 AM PDT by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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ENTERPRISE hull is now almost 60-years old. We don’t have any more 1950’s design reactors to refuel it. The ship has already been decommissioned and inactivated and is awaiting disposal plans to be determined by the Navy. Keeping it eats up 4-times the number of nuclear Sailors compared to NIMITZ class hulls.

This proposal is non-sense and this thread should be deleted.


22 posted on 10/09/2018 11:04:16 AM PDT by Steely eyed killer of the deep (When in the course of human events...)
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Can’t a coastal City use it for a museum?


23 posted on 10/09/2018 11:07:32 AM PDT by BeauBo
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Why would it cost so much to scrap a ship?


27 posted on 10/09/2018 11:21:22 AM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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The Navy has other priorities such as the Navy Times recent glowing story on the transgender Petty Officer winning a weight lifting competition. Of course it was a man claiming to be a woman but his male muscles still helped him win.


29 posted on 10/09/2018 11:33:20 AM PDT by Midwesterner53
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Just dump the reactors on a remote beach like the Russians do.


30 posted on 10/09/2018 11:41:21 AM PDT by PAR35
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Sell it to Israel for $0.01 on the dollar!


34 posted on 10/09/2018 12:18:04 PM PDT by DCBryan1 (Quit calling them liberals, progs, socialists, or democrats. Call them what they are: COMMUNISTS!!!!)
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For Enterprise to have ANY utility in reserve it would have to undergo a complete refit. That cost would far exceed scrap cost.

And you’d still have a 50 year old platform and maintenance headache. And you would not have a functional crew aboard, something that would take 2 years to accomplish.

Nay.

Build new and wear it out.

The problem is NOT the fact that we are scrapping a 50 year old ship, the problem is we have not built enough of them in the last 50 years.


35 posted on 10/09/2018 12:22:21 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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SinkEx


38 posted on 10/09/2018 1:03:04 PM PDT by xone
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