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Mysterious gold cones 'hats of ancient wizards'
Telegraph UK ^ | St Patrrick's Day, 2002 | Tony Paterson in Berlin

Posted on 10/13/2018 11:15:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

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To: ckilmer
It's true that the Celts entered Europe from somewhere in central Asia no earlier than 600 BC, but there were no Germans already living there. It's not unlikely that the pre-Celtic 'coat of paint' was driven out (perhaps 'squirting' into the lower Danube basin) or just killed off, or may have been an earlier drift of Celts anyway (P-Celts first, Q-Celts second). The Germanic peoples spread down from Scandinavia, having been there for more than a 1000 years.

There was no "battle that stopped Rome" (the Varian disaster), and the Romans continued to spread east of the Rhine, eventually building a settlement (and likely a fortress) at what is now Copenhagen, and completely depopulationg the penisular area leading to it. When the Huns came in during the Dark Ages, they displaced the Germanic tribes which had spread furthest east, and another group came out of central and/or northern Asia, the Slavs.

The Franks were Germanic tribes who moved into Gaul during the last century or so of the western Roman Empire, under pressure from the Saxons. The Saxons also wound up conquering and settling Britain and moving into the former Roman territory still known as Saxony. The tale of Beowulf references places and probably legendary people from what is now Denmark.

Julius Caesar took his army throughout Gaul, but also built temporary but very impressive bridges over the Rhine, crossed over, kicked a few butts, then after some days of marching, built a second bridge to return to Gaul. Both bridges were dismantled after use. There's no surviving sign the Gauls built any form of bridge. When he got to Britain (twice) he picked areas to land where the interior could be reconn'ed from offshore. The Celts used chariots in both Gaul and Britain, but the Romans knew how to cope with those, as the Celts found out. There was already Roman contact with various tribes in Britain prior to Caesar's short campaigns, and some British tribes coined their own money.

There's been interest in the pre-Roman roads of Britain and western Europe, but whatever was there may or may not have been extensive and regardless was of very uneven quality. I suspect the existence of the road networks was a consequence of the cultural and linguistic commonality of the neighboring towns to faciliitate trade in local markets, and it did make it easier for the Romans to find the oppida and conquer them, but I think there's been a great deal of oversell on that. It's easy to believe the roads made it easier on itinerant musicians and other performers, and probably these hat-wearing guys who may have also been what passed for the health care system.

41 posted on 10/14/2018 1:24:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: SunkenCiv

Someone doesn’t understand how humans use symbols to control reality?


42 posted on 10/14/2018 1:25:25 PM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: willyd
Besides the hats, you mean? Besides the Nebra Sky Disk? The observatory sites?

43 posted on 10/14/2018 1:32:34 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: democratsaremyenemy

Bitch first, read never? That sounds like the 1800s to me.

There are plenty of pix linked in the first two posts of this topic.


44 posted on 10/14/2018 1:34:11 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: wastoute
As you're trying to do, troll?

45 posted on 10/14/2018 1:35:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: SunkenCiv

Glad you see my point.


46 posted on 10/14/2018 1:48:49 PM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: wastoute
It would fit right inside the pointy hat./blockquote>

47 posted on 10/14/2018 2:02:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: SunkenCiv
Check out Coast to Coast at the usual link. Egyptian pyramid researcher is going to be on.

https://cheopspyramid.com/

Host Jimmy Church, guest Manu Seyfzadeh

I'm so fed up with accidentally flushing my posts. Was going to make it neater. Had to invert colors just long enough so I wouldn't copy white text, switch them back. Then was going to embed the link like C2C has it and lost it.

48 posted on 10/14/2018 2:38:51 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: SunkenCiv
Worn by this guy.


49 posted on 10/14/2018 3:59:41 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (Looks like I'll have to buy the White Album again.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Note the label on the back.
It says: CARTIER - Paris


50 posted on 10/14/2018 5:41:06 PM PDT by TaMoDee (The Pack will be back in 2018! Go Pack!!)
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To: willyd

Affirmative. Also that the hats were ineffective, however “trusty”. I guess they had some intrinsic value in the gold and handiwork, but their owner’s belief in them is what put them through the roof, which apparently, was the style of the time!


51 posted on 10/15/2018 2:52:19 AM PDT by equaviator (`)
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To: equaviator

“No, a hat of gold did not help them or anyone else predict the movement of the sun and stars but if they were alive today they’d still want you to believe it did.”

You can’t be this uninformed.

I’ll bet you still think Columbus was the first here and not the 500 ships from Wales that came here 750 years before, and sailed up the Mississippi River.


52 posted on 10/15/2018 3:49:52 AM PDT by stockpirate (TYRANNY IS THY NAME REBELLION IS OUR ANSWER. HANG THEM ALL!)
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To: stockpirate

Hey, if you believe in magic that’s up to you.


53 posted on 10/15/2018 3:51:50 AM PDT by equaviator (`)
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To: BenLurkin

Lay the hats horizontal and notice you now have a fixed four wing aircraft complete with fire coming from the tail.

thx for playing


54 posted on 10/15/2018 3:54:41 AM PDT by stockpirate (TYRANNY IS THY NAME REBELLION IS OUR ANSWER. HANG THEM ALL!)
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To: equaviator

You are reading in to what the article says. It doesn’t say or imply magic, it says it was a algorithm, a math formula that predicted the cycle of the planets.

Re-read the article or read it for the first time.


55 posted on 10/15/2018 3:57:16 AM PDT by stockpirate (TYRANNY IS THY NAME REBELLION IS OUR ANSWER. HANG THEM ALL!)
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To: equaviator
here is the money quote for you. discovered that the 1,739 sun and half-moon symbols decorating the Berlin cone's surface make up a scientific code which corresponds almost exactly to the "Metonic cycle" discovered by the Greek astronomer Meton in 432bc - about 500 years after the cone was made -- which explains the relationship between moon and sun years.
56 posted on 10/15/2018 3:59:05 AM PDT by stockpirate (TYRANNY IS THY NAME REBELLION IS OUR ANSWER. HANG THEM ALL!)
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To: SunkenCiv
Interesting....however my conical wizards hat made of a metal foil unknown to to the ancients, aluminum, "suggests almost conclusively" (quote from article) that logarithmic tables just might have been beyond the wizards skill set.

But then again, once the speculation reaches the point of introducing Time Lords, anything becomes possible...

"Such figures, referred to as "king-priests", were held to have supernatural powers because of their ability to predict accurately the correct time for sowing, planting and harvesting crops." "They would have been regarded as Lords of Time who had access to a divine knowledge that enabled them to look into the future," said Wilfried Menghin, the director of the Berlin Museum which has been carrying out detailed research on a 3,000-year-old 30in high Bronze Age cone of beaten gold that was discovered in Switzerland in 1995 and purchased by the museum the following year."

That suggests almost conclusively that the Dr. Whos of the day traveled forward in time to encounter John Napier, culturally appropriated the secret knowledge of his concept of logarithms along with the basic arithmetic functions of multiplication tables and long division, of which there is little or scant evidence produced in support of the Lords of Time theory. A theory that the article "suggests almost conclusively that the wizards magical agricultural logarithmic tables were employed for 500 to 800 years.

How does that compare to every other ancient agricultural society marking planting/growing/harvesting seasons which were bereft of this hidden knowledge?

On the other hand, not having been of fan of he BBC series "Dr Who" my Aluminium foil Wizards Conical hat might not be attuned to the frequencies necessary to receive the Divine Data. Not enough bandwidth. I do concede that our current era teems with dickheads professing to have divine knowledge necessaryfor the governance of our society. Damn good thing we have Donald Trump to check them for the moment.

57 posted on 10/15/2018 4:04:18 AM PDT by Covenantor (Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern. " Chesterton)
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To: stockpirate

The hat’s were just headgear. They didn’t really do anything. The only kind of power they could have derived from the hats was the power of suggestion.


58 posted on 10/15/2018 4:08:21 AM PDT by equaviator (`)
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To: equaviator
The hat’s were just headgear. They didn’t really do anything. The only kind of power they could have derived from the hats was through the power of suggestion.
59 posted on 10/15/2018 4:14:44 AM PDT by equaviator (`)
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To: SunkenCiv
Since you posted a photo of the gold cape, that the article failed to include, I thought the thread itself should also have a post of the gold hats - since those were the subject of the article and presumably the thread. So I posted one.

If that was unreasonable or uncalled for... well that just the way I think.

60 posted on 10/15/2018 6:29:25 AM PDT by drpix
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