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Aged 97, survivor looks back on Stalin-era Ukraine famine
Channel News Asia ^ | Nov 23, 2018

Posted on 11/23/2018 11:57:49 AM PST by CondoleezzaProtege

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To: TheNext; Jim Robinson
Jewish leaders hate the word Holodomer becauseI believe Jews made up 60% of the Russia State.

Do you have a link to that 60%?
21 posted on 11/23/2018 2:17:45 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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I hated the Ukrainians for years due to them siding with the Nazis in WWII. I did further reading and found out why they did. Their choice was to support the Germans and they might live or get starved to death by Stalin.

When the Germans came into Ukraine, they were initially welcomed as liberators.

Meanwhile, as noted in the Jerusalem Post:

The role of Jews in the Russian Revolution, and by extension Communism writ large, has always been a sensitive subject because antisemitic voices often painted Soviet Communism as a Jewish plot, or “Jewish Bolshevism.” When Alexander Solzhenitsyn began work on a book called 200 Years Together, he was criticized for what touching this taboo issue. His own comments to the press didn’t help the matter, claiming two-thirds of the Cheka (secret police) in Ukraine were Jewish.
When Ukrainians saw that a disproportionate percentage of their Stalinist oppressors were Jewish, it may have had some impact on their relations with Jewish Ukrainians during Nazi occupation.

Solzhenitsyn's "200 Years Together" was never published in English, although unofficial translations are available on the internet

22 posted on 11/23/2018 2:28:51 PM PST by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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To: TheNext

??? Jews never made up remotely close to 60% of Russia OR USSR population.... where did you get such an idea?


23 posted on 11/23/2018 3:10:36 PM PST by Trump_the_Evil_Left (FReeper formerly known as Enchante (registered Sept. 5, 2001), back from the wild....)
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To: PA Engineer

Jewish population in USSR in 1933 was around 2.5 million according to this source:

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/jewish-population-of-europe-in-1933-population-data-by-country

Overall population of USSR in 1930s estimated around 160-170 million (of course in flux due to famine/genocide and also increases in some other areas).


24 posted on 11/23/2018 3:16:23 PM PST by Trump_the_Evil_Left (FReeper formerly known as Enchante (registered Sept. 5, 2001), back from the wild....)
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To: PA Engineer
There's a reasonably large amount of literature that notes that there was a large percentage of Jews among the Bolshevik revolutionaries. Probably not 60%, but quite a bit larger than their actual percentage of the population.

YIVO (Yiddish Scientific Institute) has an article Russian Revolutions of 1917

YIVO also conducted some talks on the subject in 2017. In https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2O2yZT49_A, there is a segment on Jewish representation in the Secret Police (49:00), with the role of Jews in the NKVD being discussed at 55:00.

25 posted on 11/23/2018 3:30:46 PM PST by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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To: DuncanWaring

Just imagine if those Ukrainian folks had rifles and SMGs and shot every Soviet commie pr*ck in the face when they came to take the food.

And did so every damn time they came.

It’s easy to take from people who can’t fight back. Not so much when your own life will get shortened.


26 posted on 11/23/2018 7:35:11 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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JTA — Russian President Vladimir Putin said that at least 80 percent of the members of the first Soviet government were Jewish.

“I thought about something just now: The decision to nationalize this library was made by the first Soviet government, whose composition was 80-85 percent Jewish,” Putin said June 13 during a visit to Moscow’s Jewish Museum and Tolerance Center.


27 posted on 11/23/2018 9:08:25 PM PST by TheNext (Participation Award Winner = CoC)
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To: TheNext

First, your phrasing was ambiguous.... I thought you were talking about overall population not “Bolsheviks” or “Soviet government officials” .... you said “Russian state” which is very poor phrasing when trying to talk about the original govt of the USSR. Anyway, my point about the proportions in the overall population is irrelevant if we are talking about the very small clique of Bolsheviks who led the Russian Revolution, except that it makes it more striking if indeed so many of the revolutionary core were indeed Jews.

If the early Soviets were such a high proportion Jewish it would be interesting to know more about their political and religious views, which I certainly haven’t studied. I do know that “Trotsky” (Lev Bronstein) was Jewish in origin although quite secular and atheistic by the time he approached adulthood and became a revolutionary.

Stalin started out as a seminary student, but it makes no more sense to blame Christianity for Stalin than to blame Judaism for Trotsky, I think. Both went very far from and in severe opposition to their origins.

Still, such a high proportion of Bolsheviks coming from Jewish backgrounds certainly would raise questions. I suspect it has to do with feeling on the margins of the society and thus being more susceptible to revolutionary appeals, but I have not studied that generation.

Hitler did tend to fuse “Bolshevism” and “Jews” in his thinking and propaganda.... maybe there was more to the background of that than I was aware of, since I really need to read a lot more on the Soviet revolutionary period.


28 posted on 11/23/2018 9:58:52 PM PST by Trump_the_Evil_Left (FReeper formerly known as Enchante (registered Sept. 5, 2001), back from the wild....)
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To: NFHale

That’s why it’s said “If someone wants to take your guns away, it’s because they want to do something to you that you won’t let them do if you still have your guns”.


29 posted on 11/24/2018 5:56:04 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

“...If someone wants to take your guns away...”

And that other part of that is: They can only “take” what you allow them to.

The one overriding reason for having firearms - They’re for “The Day”. And they know it.

“Don’t start nuthin’, won’t be nuthin’”.


30 posted on 11/24/2018 6:34:56 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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