Posted on 12/16/2018 10:52:33 AM PST by BEJ
Pavane is a piece that means slow and stately dance. It's by a friend of mine who is a rocker, but can compose some beautiful classical music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pld7phce51U
A Clevelander’s take on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f46WxROmwMQ
Yeah, a rocker’s take on Pavanne (though he spells it different). It has a spacey and moody feel, but I think I’ll always remembered him for “Rocky Mountain Way” from the 70s. :-)
What a difference between the two! The Deodato seemed so stark with just a electric piano melody. The Debussy one had more interest and richness.
bttt
Wow, you know your music history. Who would have thought that you can connect Franz Liszt, Gabriel Faure, Maurice Ravel with Joe Walsh? I should give Walsh more credit but I’ve associated him in with rock, e.g., Funk #49 and Rocky Mountain Way and the Eagles and not classical music. It’s quite a surprise to see another side.
I heard Pink Floyd in Puccini.
All Rock music is based on Western Classical music.
speaking to a lovely gal tonight who is a music major, teacher and instructor, she said she was taught to mock country music due to the chord progressions.!
Quick! Tell Ferde Groffe
Jeff Beck and the Yardbirds influenced Joe, Lots of things did.
I grew up with Joe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2EzYP_Z45U
You hear the funk creeping in up at Kent State....
The Vince guy sound like he could have written the theme to Charlie Brown — maybe he did I just don’t know. He has a similar piano style.
So Joe didn’t credit Ravel on the album. That could have spared him some grief. But whether it’s a case of purposeful stealing or not knowing the law, there was a lot of thievery with bands like Led Zeppelin back then. It kind of destroys ones image of Zeppelin when you find out how much they took from others and the court cases involved.
Really! What song was in Puccini?
What a great discussion!
You have good ears my FRiend. Vince Guaraldi indeed composed and played all the Peanuts themes we’ve come to love and it served him well. He also won a Grammy in 1963 for “Cast Your Fate to the Wind”.
Ravel and Guaraidi were both credited on the JAMES GANG album, and the blame for the threatened lawsuits falls entirely on ABC execs who dropped the ball by not licensing the use of the music before the album was released. I don’t know if it was greed, ignorance or negligence on the part of ABC - there are arguments to be made for each, but it is generally not the type of negotiation artists of that stature handle personally.
The facts that a compromise wasn’t reached with Ravel’s heirs, and they gutted Walsh’s arrangement instead of a settlement - seems to me to be evidence that ABC, like so many record companies in the 60s cared only about profits.
As for Zeppelin - Page and Plant were notorious thieves, mining delta blues and crediting themselves as composers. IIRC, I once dedicated an entire FReeper Canteen jukebox to the subject with direct comparisons of lyrics and melodies taken from American blues men. Willie Dixon was one of the few to prevail over the scads of lawyers and limitless cash Zeppelin bring to bear. “Whole Lotta Love” was a blatant ‘nik’ both lyrically and musically of Dixon’s “You Need Love” (recorded by Muddy Waters). When it went to court in the 1980s it became apparent the Atlantic Records lawyers had no defense (other than, and they actually said this: “It’s strange that someone would wait all that time to file a suit.”) The band settled with Dixon for an undisclosed amount, which to Willie’s credit he used for the Blues Heaven Foundation, which he founded in 1984.
It’s also a fact that The Small Faces had released “You Need Loving” in 1966 (years before Zeppelin) credited to Steve Marriot and Ronnie Lane and that version seems to be the template for Zep’s version - especially Marriot’s vocal break where he howls, “Waaaaay down inside .... Woman .... You need .... Loooooooove”. But, the excuse that “everyone was doing it (stealing)” is false logic in the extreme.
I’ve always loved Beck and Clapton’s performance at Ronnie Scott’s in 2007. On the DVD, earlier in the show, both Page and Plant can been seen in the audience that night - and the devilish grin on Jeff’s face when Eric “You Need Love” makes it clear that he and Eric were making a statement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTVoPSyM92o
Even a partial list of Zeppelin’s Plagiarism is remarkable:
Babe I’m Gonna Leave You - Anne Bredon (she received back royalties from Joan Baez and Zeppelin)
You Shook Me - Willie Dixon
Dazed and Confused - Jake Holmes (undisclosed settlement in 2010)
Black Mountain Side - Bert Jansch (often collaborator with Anne Bredon)
How Many More Times - Howlin’ Wolf Burnette (The song also contains substantial portions of Albert King’s “The Hunter”)
The Lemon Song - Howlin’ Wolf (taken from Wolf’s “Killing Floor, Robert Johnson’s “Travelling Riverside Blues” and Albert King’s “Crosscut Saw”)
Since I’ve been Loving You - Bob Mosley (taken from “Never” by Moby Grape and Fenton Robinson’s “Somebody Loan Me A Dime”)
I Can’t Quit You - Willie Dixon
Moby Dick - Bobby Parker (melody from “Watch Your Step”)
Bring It On Home - Willie Dixon/ Sonny Boy Williamson (1972 out-of-court settlement with Chess Records)
Gallows Pole - Leadbelly
Bron-Y-Aur Stomp - Bert Jansch (taken from “The Waggoner’s Lad”)
Hats Off to (Roy) Harper - Bukka White (taken from “Shake ‘Em On Down”)
When the Levee Breaks - Kansas Joe McCoy and Memphis Minnie
Custard Pie - Sleepy John Estes (taken from “Drop Down Mama” with elements of “Shake ‘Em On Down” by Bukka White and “I Want Some of Your Pie” by Blind Boy Fuller)
Trampled Under Foot - Robert Johnson (taken from “Terraplane Blues”)
Boogie with Stu - Ritchie Valens (taken from “Ooh, My Head” - out of court settlement with Valens’s publisher, Kemo Music)
Nobody’s Fault but Mine - Blind Willie Johnson
Traveling Riverside Blues - Robert Johnson
These 20 songs were all originally credited to Zeppelin and represent tens (if not hundreds) of millions in royalties.
Perhaps the most famous Plagiarism lawsuit in history involves “Stairway To Heaven”. Recently, in September, 2018, a United States Court of Appeals threw out the 2016 verdict in the band’s favor. Randy Wolfe (Randy California), deceased guitarist for the band Spirit was the composer of ‘Taurus’ four years prior to “Stairway” and always claimed he’d been ripped off by Page, although he never sued, probably because as an itinerant club musician, he couldn’t hope to prevail against Zep’s unlimited resources.
The song’s similar chord progressions and the fact that Page had written ‘Stairway to Heaven’ after touring with Spirit and hearing ‘Taurus’, is rather damning evidence. The Appeals Judge ruled the previous Judge erred on several counts, notably, by allowing Page and Plant to testify, while California’s surviving heirs could offer only (disallowed) “hear-say” evidence and by formidably not allowing the jury to listen to Taurus!
“I’m shocked I tell you!” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFHLO_2_THg
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