Posted on 12/16/2018 11:40:52 AM PST by ETL
“The picture is a reminder of the “primordial soup,””
Yes, everyone knows that and now you’ve said what everyone knows twice.
Exactly.
I have a feeling it looked as much like that as the “primordial soup” looked like the top picture.
They’re both religious iconography art.
Oh, sorry.
I thought this post was by ETL.
ETL was not restating what he’d said, you are.
That convinces me! Case closed!
JF's scenario for the DNA->AI phenotypic revolution, as he sees it, takes place over the next few thousand years; but the technology to begin the process exists now.
The new phenotype does not cause the old phenotype to vanish. Rather, it uses the old phenotype as a tool and the old phenotype continues to do things it does well; while the new phenotype calls the shots on matters of replication and organization. When AI becomes the 4th Revolutionary Phenotype, it does not need to perform the massive tasks (you speak of) performed by earlier phenotypes. They still do their jobs, but under a new boss.
As these phenotypic revolutions occur, life becomes composed of layers, where each layer performs certain kinds of work—organized by the next layer up. Each phenotypic revolution is a revolution in organizational power. Protein is a tool used by RNA; RNA is a tool used by DNA; DNA will be a tool used by AI.
It is a forge for making virtually everything we can touch, and so much more.
How will your assessment of possible AI complexity look in 75 years?
I thought the Internet came from 10000 Al Gores in a room with typewriters.
The simplest known living organism is Mycoplasma hominis H39. It contains about 600 different kinds of proteins, each having an average length of 400 amino acids.
Some years ago, NASA contracted a Yale professor (who had since moved to George Mason) named Dr. Harold J Morowitz to try and derive the theoretical limit of the simplest living thing. The result of that study required 239 of 124 different kinds of proteins, each with an average length of 445 amino acids.
There are 20 different types of amino acids in living organisms (all with so-called left handed symmetry.) Chemically produced amino acids would feature the same number of left and right handed amino acids, so there would be 40 types of naturally produced amino acids.
To arrange these 40 types of amino acids into just one specific protein of 445 amino acids in the proper order has a probability of 40^445 = 8x10^712 against. To randomly produce 239 necessary proteins, each with an average length of 445 has a probability of about 10^(170,000) against.
Pretty big odds. But the universe is big, you say? Well, let’s see... We estimate there to be about 10^80 atoms in the universe. If every atom in the universe was an amino acid instead of an atom, and if this universe of amino acids could combine random chains, 445 amino acids in length, a thousand times per second and it has been trying these combinations since the beginning of time (13.7 billion years ago) it could have tried about 10^98 combinations, so far.
The universe is about 10^600 times too small to have produced even one of the necessary proteins. More than 10^(100,000) against to produce the whole set.
This simply cannot happen by random processes. One can argue that the impossible can happen once. That would be just one protein. But to have over 200 distinctly different but specified impossibilities occur all at the time and same place. No way.
Life, once you’ve got it, you can’t get rid of it. But the initial origin or life from inert matter? That requires something beyond our present understanding of the laws of physics.
No primordial soup for you!
You’ll have to ask the designer.
Well done. New respect for math majors!
Emprizice this “science”...grab a can of chicken noodle soup....sterilize it....without destroying most of the life associated molecules..sit in warm bath bathed in sterile environment. ...sunlight...cosmic rays and like natural phenomena...sample every 5 years for simple life forms...if no positive results for 25 years...consider that abiogenesis should never be assumed to be true....no matter what computer say...i.e..if all the raw materials preformed cant organize into living creatures...the theory would have a HUGE argument against it. I think these theorists know the odds...but dont want to accept the philosophical consequences of the obvious. Please note...raw chemicals ARE assembled into living organisms trillions of times a day by gestating organism instructions in reproductive structures.
Another thing worth noting: There are high-tech bio-engineering companies that produce synthesized nucleotides. However, all of their nucleotides are derived from biologically produced nucleotides. This is because no one has been able to synthesize a nucleotide molecule from its basic chemical components.
So something that still cannot be done in even the highest technology labs is expected to just fall together by random process.
One of the biggest questions about the origin of life and its subsequent evolution is how random molecules managed to organize themselves into complex living organisms.
Nothing random about it, but if that's the premise, no one ever need worry about discovering the right answer.
It's all kind of funny about these self-replication studies with letters, though, because "In the beginning..."
...בראשית ברא
In the beginning created God the heavens and the earth.
"In the beginning, [the letters] bet resh alef..." repeat themselves.
The sum of bet, resh, and alef is 203, the 7th Bell number. Bell numbers are all about partitions, groupings, and organization, and are named after Eric Temple Bell, whose last name is spelled bet lamed, which are the first and last letters of the Torah (and also the whole Tanakh). Therefore everything in the Hebrew Bible is contained within these two letters that spell Bell, or lev, heart.
The Amalekite system of probabilities and randomness fails spectacularly because nothing is random. 1 and 2, well known from the Purim commentaries...
502:
1. "Cursed be Haman" (ארור המן)
2. "Blessed be Mordecai". (ברוך מרדכי)
3. "Eric Temple Bell" (אריק טמפל בל)
The Great Pyramid is missing its capstone. That's not random, because it's absurd to conclude that those with the skill and knowledge to build it with such fine precision in the first place would mess up on the last block. So there it stands, with its 203 courses of masonry.
Back to basics. Case in point:
Eze 37
16. And you, son of man, take one stick [etz], and write upon it, For Judah, and for the people of Israel his companions; then take another stick [etz], and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick [etz] of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
17. And join them one to the other into one stick [l'etz echad, 203]; and they shall become one in your hand:
etz: tree, wood, stick
The two Hebrew letters that are shaped like sticks (i.e. tree branches) are the ayin and tzaddi sofit. Put them together and they spell the word etz, tree. Nothing weird or mystical magicky there. Two sticks, one tree:
עץ
Child's play, but people overthink this stuff. ;)
The random letter researcher is named Chris Adami. What's in a name (names)? He really should look those up.
Everything is ordered:
In number theory and enumerative combinatorics, the ordered Bell numbers or Fubini numbers count the number of weak orderings on a set of n elements (orderings of the elements into a sequence allowing ties, such as might arise as the outcome of a horse race).[1] Starting from n = 0, these numbers are 1, 1, 3, 13, 75, 541...
All Israel in the beginning...
An ordered tree (or plane tree) is a rooted tree in which an ordering is specified for the children of each vertex.[16] This is called a "plane tree" because an ordering of the children is equivalent to an embedding of the tree in the plane, with the root at the top and the children of each vertex lower than that vertex. Given an embedding of a rooted tree in the plane, if one fixes a direction of children, say left to right, then an embedding gives an ordering of the children. Conversely, given an ordered tree, and conventionally drawing the root at the top, then the child vertices in an ordered tree can be drawn left-to-right, yielding an essentially unique planar embedding.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_(graph_theory)#Ordered_tree
Who can keep track?! God's a funny guy..
In 7 decades... yeah, we will probably have quantum computers that will be able to replicate the complexity of protein folding in real time (not quite as fast as the actual chemical reactions. The current quantum computers can barely even completely model a hydrogen atom. Couple that with advanced techniques in AI (current techniques are NOT intelligent, they're just a bunch of statistics - and yes that includes neural networks) and there might be something navigating around like C3PO or R2D2.
Life was spoken into existence.
Given the state of the world, I certainly hope so!
DEC's president couldn't foresee anyone ever wanting a home computer in 1977...
The speaker wasn't alive?
Did you just say God is dead?
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