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Why did Trump Cave? Psssst.... He didn't
Self | 1/27/2019 | EQQAndyBuzz

Posted on 01/27/2019 7:49:17 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz

I keep reading here and other places that Trump caved on the wall. Die hard Conservatives who praised Trump are losing faith because they are saying he broke his promise to build the wall. Conservatives are in a panic, which is exactly what the Democrats and their media lemmings wanted.

I submit to you, like the Democrats, you are not seeing the big picture.


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KEYWORDS: border; cave; nancysaidno; trump; trussdaplan; vanityepidemic; wall
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So what really happened with Trump's deal on Friday?

Well, first off, he brought the furloughed federal workers back and got them paid. That is now off the table. Second, Congress now owns the border wall. This is what should have happened in the first place. Let's place the blame where blame is due. During Obama's first two years, when they had the majority, they could have opened the borders permanently, but they didn't. They had the majority in both houses as well as 60 votes in the senate. Nothing happened. (Things that make you go hmmmmmm) This time around, the blame is 100% on Paul Ryan. Republicans had the majority and could have done this in the first month, but they went the same was as the Democrats in 2009. Why? (More hmmmmm and we need more analysis of this)

As the consummate project manager, Trump transferred the risk to the right place, congress. It is their responsibility to appropriate the funding for securing our country from foreign invaders. "Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1. The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; 1."

I submit that Trump didn't cave. Trump's responsibility given to him by the Constitution is to protect our country from foreign invaders and rather than declaring a national emergency, Trump placed the funding for the border wall into the right hands. It now falls upon congress to appropriate the money the President is asking for.

Now Trump has leverage and the momentum to gain support for this as well as his 2020 run. If Congress fails to act, Trump can honestly say that he gave congress the chance to do this the right way and they failed, he can even blame Pelosi for this since funding will have to originate in congress. Now he can declare the national emergency, get his funding, build the wall and lay the blame at the feet of Pelosi, Schumer and any other elected swamp dweller who failed to do their job.

Finally, what Democrats and NeverTrumpers are fearing most is Trump now can give his state of the union speech to America and highlight the fact that congress now has the responsibility to provide the funding and failing to do so he can announce his plans to declare a national emergency and the government will stay open.

1 posted on 01/27/2019 7:49:17 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz
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To: EQAndyBuzz

He kicked the can down the road for three months. what’s the point? it’s not going to get easier in three weeks.

Just declare an emergency or have the military do it and be done with it.


2 posted on 01/27/2019 7:54:23 AM PST by Cubs Fan
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To: EQAndyBuzz

In the Navy, they have a saying “Keep a steady strain” which basically means as you hold onto a sheet (a rope connected to a sail) you need to keep the tension constant. Said in the same context as “Keep an even keel”.

Don’t get too high. Don’t get too low. Stay steady. I am doing the same thing with respect to the wall.


3 posted on 01/27/2019 7:56:55 AM PST by rlmorel (Leftists: They believe in the "Invisible Hand" only when it is guided by government.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz; marktwain

I think Scott Adams nails it.

https://blog.dilbert.com/2019/01/26/episode-391-scott-adams-who-won-the-border-security-negotiations-because-no-one-else-is-getting-it-right/

(hat tip marktwain)


4 posted on 01/27/2019 7:57:39 AM PST by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: Cubs Fan

Hell, it’s so easy even you could do it...Right????


5 posted on 01/27/2019 7:58:05 AM PST by JBW1949 (I'm really PC....PATRIOTICALLY CORRECT!!!!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Better than most vanities. Focused, articulate, and logical.

“Now he can declare the national emergency”

Declaring a national emergency shouldn’t be necessary to build a barrier because section 284 clearly establishes his authority to do so.


6 posted on 01/27/2019 7:58:45 AM PST by be-baw
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To: Cubs Fan

I think you meant to say 3 weeks rather than 3 months. A lot can happen behind the scenes in 3 weeks...be patient. I doubted our president once and I will never do that again. He is still doing more about border security than any of the previous administrations combined.


7 posted on 01/27/2019 8:00:38 AM PST by The Deplorable Miss Lemon (Bigfoot saw me, but no one believes him.)
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To: Cubs Fan

This is all crap. You can put it all on Pelosi if you want but it will not matter. The dems, libs all over, globalists and the media will all be STILL refusing to build the wall when the current funding ends. And everything will STILL be trumps fault.

Declare the emergency, arrest the judges on the 9th circuit when they make the inevitable halt order, equip the army with tear gas and automatic weapons, build the wall and shoot anyone who tries to get in the way. This is the only way to get it built.

Now I am going back to do some more reloading. We gotta get ready...


8 posted on 01/27/2019 8:00:45 AM PST by Agatsu77
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Even more, if Pelosi says no to the SOTUS, he can and will declare a National Emergency. IMHO, should Congress recuse the SOTU’ he should under Article 2, Section 3, adjourn Congress.

Then issue an EO privatizing those parts of the federal government not covered under the 18 enumerated powers of Congress.


9 posted on 01/27/2019 8:01:46 AM PST by DownInFlames (Galsd)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

The same “conservatives” would be leaving the stadium at halftime, not understanding how the game was played and assuming it was over.

Maybe now - FINALLY - those who constantly doubt, underestimate, and second-guess Trump on FR will learn.

Probably not. Pearl-clutchers just gotta clutch...


10 posted on 01/27/2019 8:02:13 AM PST by bigbob (Trust Trump. Trust the Plan.)
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To: Cubs Fan

So, we have a guy (Trump) striving to enhance border security with a no-brainer effective deterrent — the wall — along with other less visible and less emotional measures.

And we have a U.S. Congress fighting as hard and as dirty as they know how to prevent that.

Suppose now, we have a very large terrorist attack, with lots of damage and death, and it’s shown to be composed significantly — if not entirely — by Bad Guys who slipped in via the border with Mexico?

How would you like to be a Democrat running in the next election after that event?


11 posted on 01/27/2019 8:02:36 AM PST by William of Barsoom (In Omnia, Paratus)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

The end game is the wall. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt but ultimately the wall has to be built.


12 posted on 01/27/2019 8:02:50 AM PST by Spok
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To: EQAndyBuzz

The only big picture I want to see is one of the completed wall.


13 posted on 01/27/2019 8:03:32 AM PST by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.S)
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To: be-baw

Do WTF?EVER
needs to be done that all are dancing around!
Just do IT!
TRUMP.45!The OnlyOne WhoWILLDO IT!
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14 posted on 01/27/2019 8:03:51 AM PST by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: Cubs Fan
Yeah, how did Trump ever survive and become a billionaire, a television star, and defeated 16 other Republicans plus the wife of a powerful Democrat who herself is powerful?

Pass that wisdom down to me why don't you.

15 posted on 01/27/2019 8:04:32 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Trust the plan of the 17th letter of the English alphabet!!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

It’s 3 weeks...if it were 8 months, I’d call it a cave. For now, it’s just buying time - and also being sure that money gets flowing to both workers and contractors. It also gives the Senate time to get some more judges installed (at least 51 new ones), which could be a huge deal considering the condition of RGB (and, not to mention, 3 more weeks for her to ‘retire’, in some form).

Trump may still cave, particularly on DACA, but this wasn’t it.


16 posted on 01/27/2019 8:06:41 AM PST by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't tell anyone.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

I would imagine that Trump has to cover himself 360 for the judicial angle, being able to say that he tried to work with Congress and get the funding approved in the people’s house.


17 posted on 01/27/2019 8:07:34 AM PST by magna carta
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To: EQAndyBuzz

No he didn’t, he caved and now owns the shutdown. Now all he’s done is vindicate Pelosi for saying Drumpf stole the gubermint workers paychecks for no reason and the GOPE will never entertain another shutdown because they’ve been proven yet again that all they do is backfire on the GOP. It took Rush Limbaugh 20 years to bully the GOP put of this. I blame Jared Kushner for this garbage, his fingerprints are EVERYWHERE when Trump gets derailed, he’s a toxic viper who is constantly subverting Trump for his own agenda and using Ivanka as leverage to do so.


18 posted on 01/27/2019 8:08:28 AM PST by Shadow44
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To: Cubs Fan
He kicked the can down the road for three months.

Three weeks, not months. Now, should he fail to start the wall as he promised, state of emergency, executive order or otherwise, he will have caved. Most of us will be severely disappointed (but not enough to vote RAT).

19 posted on 01/27/2019 8:09:32 AM PST by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: Agatsu77
Declare the emergency, arrest the judges on the 9th circuit when they make the inevitable halt order, equip the army with tear gas and automatic weapons, build the wall and shoot anyone who tries to get in the way. This is the only way to get it built.

I like the way you think.
20 posted on 01/27/2019 8:10:33 AM PST by Signalman
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