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Rank choice?
Vanity | 1/29/19 | Originalbuckeye

Posted on 01/29/2019 5:26:05 PM PST by originalbuckeye

Just watching Dr Jill Stein on Tucker and she was commenting on Starbucks’ Shultz announcing a Presidential run. She said ‘we are no longer constrained by the two party system, you just have to pass ‘Rank Choice’. Maine has passed Rank Choice and it cost the Republicans a House seat. The Republican had the most votes, but those who voted for the 3rd party candidate could say who they wanted if the 3rd party candidate didn’t win. And of course, their second choice was the Dem. So, with those ‘second choice’ votes added in, the Dem was awarded the win.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: maine; rankchoice; vanityepidemic; vote
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The citizens of this country are allowed ‘one person, ONE VOTE’. Rank Chouce goes against everything our country stands for. This must be stopped! Rank Choice just gives Dems a ‘do-over’...... no 3rd party candidate ever takes votes from our side. This stinks!!

Big apologies for the vanity. I know there have been way too many these days. But Rank Choice had better be addressed, and before the next election!!

1 posted on 01/29/2019 5:26:05 PM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: originalbuckeye
It will be left up to the states.

I oppose it.

I saw something like this in Tasmania, while I was in Australia.

It is a huge mess.

2 posted on 01/29/2019 5:31:44 PM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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But, but, but...it has to be fair. And by fair, I mean it has to go MY way.

// sarcasm


3 posted on 01/29/2019 5:36:44 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: originalbuckeye

Dank Choice, the way of CA. Maine I think?

There is a push here to install Dank Choice here in MA. I browsed their table at the MA GOP convention last year, disgusted that they were allowed in the door.


4 posted on 01/29/2019 5:41:22 PM PST by C210N (Republicans sign check fronts; 'Rats sign check backs.)
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To: Vermont Lt

So, you think people having two choices/votes for the same office is the American Way?


5 posted on 01/29/2019 5:41:46 PM PST by originalbuckeye ('In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act'- George Orwell.)
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To: originalbuckeye

Did you see the sarcasm tag?

That means I was making fun of it.

Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing. You might want to give it a shot.


6 posted on 01/29/2019 5:49:46 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: originalbuckeye

Libertarians usually take votes from the Republican side. Run a good libertarian candidate and after the RATS lose because of this they will insist on changing the law back to where it was.


7 posted on 01/29/2019 5:50:09 PM PST by Nateman (If the left is not screaming, you are doing it wrong.)
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To: C210N

I don’t think CA has Rank Choice yet. They do have a Jungle Primary and have had for over a decade. The sad thing there is, with all the illegals voting in the Primaries, two Dems usually get the most and then second most number of votes. This (Rank Choice) is in the election, where people who vote 3rd party can say who they would like second, and the vote can then be assigned to the second choice candidate.


8 posted on 01/29/2019 5:53:09 PM PST by originalbuckeye ('In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act'- George Orwell.)
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To: Vermont Lt

Oh no, I read it correctly, I just figured you were making fun of me. It’s been happening a lot lately.


9 posted on 01/29/2019 5:55:44 PM PST by originalbuckeye ('In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act'- George Orwell.)
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To: originalbuckeye

Don’t be so sensitive. Not EVERYONE is out to get you. Just most of “them.”


10 posted on 01/29/2019 5:59:00 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: originalbuckeye

True words well said


11 posted on 01/29/2019 6:25:03 PM PST by Nifster (II see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: originalbuckeye

Just like Heisman trophy voting,BS


12 posted on 01/29/2019 7:06:14 PM PST by Figment
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The way to really screw it up when there three candidates, is to only vote for two of them. The one you leave out gets no rank at all


13 posted on 01/29/2019 7:10:58 PM PST by Figment
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To: originalbuckeye

You described it well.


14 posted on 01/29/2019 7:17:29 PM PST by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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To: originalbuckeye

Let’s say someone voted for Johnson, but listed Trump as second choice. When Johnson is the bottom finisher, that vote goes to Trump.


15 posted on 01/29/2019 7:19:08 PM PST by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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To: originalbuckeye

and have had for over a decade.
= = =

Not quite that long, I think

More like since 2012 (after court hearings and such).


16 posted on 01/29/2019 7:28:25 PM PST by Scrambler Bob (You know that I am full of /S)
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To: originalbuckeye

Simple fact is, more of he people who showed up to vote liked the democrat. You solve that by finding more voters who like the republican candidare.

There are problems with rank choice which wont be solved because the two parties like winnjng.

For example. Imagine
Candidates A, B , C

A is preferred by 40%, B by 35%, and C by 25%.

Also, of C voters, 80% want B over A.

Also, of A voters, 90% want C over B, and 90% of B voters want C over A.

Rank chouce drops C, and 4/5tha of ghec25% go to B, and B wins 55 45. Sems fair, 55% of the voters preferred B to A.

But note, if A dropped, 9/10 of the 40% would go to C, and C would win 61% to 39%. And if B dropped, C would win 56.5 to 43.5.

By looking at 2 way matchups, we find that a lot more oeople will be “satisfied” by the outcome if C wins, rather than A or B. But because C wasnt the first choice, Bends up winning. If the people who voted for A Knew there gue would lose, theyd vote for C


17 posted on 01/29/2019 7:32:24 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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This is really popular among the Millennials. I am having an email discussion with one who just cant get it through his head that this is allowing someone to vote more than once ... they argue that its only one ranking list and so only one vote. They equate it to a "run off" election on a single ballot. It's terrifying because of course the touchy feeley libs will be more willing to include more rankings and therefore have more votes as all their early candidates get eliminated.
For example in a 16 person election, a single voter could rank the candidates in exactly backwards popularity and their vote would cascade up the list till it landed on one of the top two. That sure sounds like 15 votes to me.
18 posted on 01/29/2019 7:34:46 PM PST by gtwizard (Income Inequality is called INCENTIVE!)
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To: originalbuckeye

one person one vote - rank choice is some people two votes, imo that’s wrong.


19 posted on 01/29/2019 7:37:39 PM PST by b4me (God Bless the USA)
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NO that's wrong. More of the people who showed up were "OK" with the Democrat. Sorta like your Brain surgeon being an "OK" student, or your Lawyer graduating 499th out of 500 in his class. Instead of the ONE that has the best record out of the whole you are gonna elect someone who is barely acceptable to the largest number of people? And why is that even a factor?
How about keeping it simple? The one who gets the most votes in the first round wins. One person, one vote.
20 posted on 01/29/2019 7:42:40 PM PST by gtwizard (Income Inequality is called INCENTIVE!)
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