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War games: America ‘keeps getting its ass handed to it’ by simulated Chinese, Russian attacks
The National Sentinel ^ | 3/10/19 | Jon Dougherty

Posted on 03/10/2019 10:09:18 AM PDT by SleeperCatcher

The United States spends around $700 billion a year on its military but following a series of wargames over the past couple of years, “blue” forces continue to lose and lose big to simulated war with great powers like Russia and China.

Massive aircraft carriers are modern naval wonders but they’re also massive targets for increasingly accurate precision-guided missiles. The F-22 and F-35 dominate the air when they’re in the air, but they keep getting blown up on the ground. Also, the large air bases where they are stationed often go up in smoke as well, giving them nowhere to land. And while the Navy and Air Force have vulnerable, high-dollar systems that are constantly being destroyed during these games, the Army doesn’t fare much better.

“In our games, when we fight Russia and China, blue gets its ass handed to it,” RAND analyst David Ochmanek said last week...

(Excerpt) Read more at thenationalsentinel.com ...


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1 posted on 03/10/2019 10:09:18 AM PDT by SleeperCatcher
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Massive aircraft carriers are modern naval wonders but they’re also massive targets for increasingly accurate precision-guided missiles.

And they're too valuable to lose which plays a significant role in the careful, conservative ways that todays CVNs are deployed.

Losing even one would be a catastrophe.

2 posted on 03/10/2019 10:13:20 AM PDT by Drew68 (No, as a matter of fact, I didn't read the article.)
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WOPR is pretty old technology after all. I think you can only access it with an old phone modem that you place the receiver on.


3 posted on 03/10/2019 10:13:57 AM PDT by dsrtsage (For Leftists, World History starts every day at breakfast)
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To: SleeperCatcher

Interesting read. Thank you.


4 posted on 03/10/2019 10:16:47 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Ping


5 posted on 03/10/2019 10:18:46 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: SleeperCatcher

Aircraft carriers have become what battleships were by the 1940’s. They still have their uses. But they are much more vulnerable than a lot of people want to admit.


6 posted on 03/10/2019 10:20:02 AM PDT by NRx (A man of honor passes his father's civilization to his son without surrendering it to strangers.)
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To: SleeperCatcher
Modern 'war planning' is based on 'profit for military contractors', power for thugs running the Pentagon, and 'how-to win' strategies if we were fighting World War II' over again...

We can't even build a damn wall to keep millions of invaders out... we sure as hell can't fight a war.

7 posted on 03/10/2019 10:20:31 AM PDT by GOPJ (Democrats are attacking Ivanka & Jared ostensibly on security clearances - reality is antisemitism)
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To: SleeperCatcher

The National Sentinel is fake news. I wouldn’t trust them if they said the sky was blue.


8 posted on 03/10/2019 10:23:24 AM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: SleeperCatcher
Massive aircraft carriers are modern naval wonders but they’re also massive targets for increasingly accurate precision-guided missiles.

And, for several decades, the Chinese have had a goal of developing anti-ship missiles capable of defeating US carrier groups. And they've benefited from decades of stupid US trade policies which have enriched them greatly, and also from technology transfers of every sort, particularly the missile guidance system technology sold to them during the Slick Willie years.

The US policies toward Red China since the "opening" of China by Nixon have probably been the dumbest and most dangerous in US history.

9 posted on 03/10/2019 10:24:06 AM PDT by Will88 (The only people opposing voter ID are those benefiting from voter fraud.)
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These games are based on a premise that China and Russia when it came to it could execute a blue water fight of some kind. They have zero experience.


10 posted on 03/10/2019 10:24:33 AM PDT by miliantnutcase
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The other big fix: toughening up our command, control, and communications networks. That includes everything from jam-proof datalinks to electronic warfare gear on combat aircraft and warships. The services are fond of cutting corners on electronics to get as many planes in the air and hulls in the water as possible, Ochmanek said, but a multi-billion dollar ship that dies for lack of a million-dollar decoy is a lousy return on investment.

It'll come down to who has the best information and can move on that fastest... Also, there's ZERO protection for the homeland. That's nuts. Think of 'winning the war' while the country died....

11 posted on 03/10/2019 10:28:49 AM PDT by GOPJ (Democrats are attacking Ivanka & Jared ostensibly on security clearances - reality is antisemitism)
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China and Russia .. have zero experience.

What kind of experience do we evince with women in the CON who can't navigate a shipping lane?

12 posted on 03/10/2019 10:30:23 AM PDT by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent..)
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To: SleeperCatcher

RAND is the tool DoD uses to get more money. It has almost no other role.

And one question RAND will never answer, nor will DoD, is:

If they can win against us so decisively and predictably, why do they run from us every single time we confront them?

Just why?


13 posted on 03/10/2019 10:31:45 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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“They have zero experience.”

See my #13.


14 posted on 03/10/2019 10:33:34 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: SleeperCatcher

They have a point and the business is seriously out of hands.
Big war is always attrition which is not sustainable the way military equipment is designed, produced and procured nowadays.
What was the time needed to produce an aircraft or armoder vehicle during WWII? What were the prices even adjusted to inflation?
I think everyone understands what I am talking about.


15 posted on 03/10/2019 10:34:21 AM PDT by NorseViking
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To: Will88
The US policies toward Red China since the "opening" of China by Nixon have probably been the dumbest and most dangerous in US history.

Which goes to show that the ChiComs got what they paid American politicians for.

They bought the best Traitors America had to sell.

16 posted on 03/10/2019 10:37:46 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (America NEEDS Mob Rule, another European and Mid East World War and a universal Draft)
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From the article: “The US and its allies notoriously keep underestimating how many smart weapons they’ll need for a shooting war, then start to run out against enemies as weak as the Serbs or Libyans. Against a Russia or China, which can match not only our technology but our mass, you run out of munitions fast.”

I visited the Little Bighorn battlefield two years ago where the US Army under General George Armstrong Custer should have learned a lesson about running out of ammunition. Perhaps the perfumed desk jockeys with stars making purchasing decisions at the Pentagon should take field trips to some of the sites where American troops lost the battle. Apparently they didn’t learn the lessons sitting in class at the War College.

Not to mention many of the high tech wonder weapons used by the US military have components produced in China. How can we be sure those parts aren’t Trojan horses which will wake up on command?


17 posted on 03/10/2019 10:50:39 AM PDT by Soul of the South (The past is gone and cannot be changed. Tomorrow can be a better day if we work on)
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"he US policies toward Red China since the "opening" of China by Nixon have probably been the dumbest and most dangerous in US history.”

Yep!
Back when the Cold War was still in the headlines, every politician wanted thought if Russia, China would only convert to capitalism there would be Peace Eternal. I thought, "Why" Every war we fought we fought against capitalist countries. A capitalist Russia or China would be more like us and thus a bigger threat. Politicans, as with generals, are always fighting the last war.
18 posted on 03/10/2019 11:03:28 AM PDT by RedMonqey ("Those who turn their arms in for plowshares will be doing the plowing for those who didn't.")
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To: SleeperCatcher

At least they are not buying into the Democrat BS about who should be red and who should be blue.


19 posted on 03/10/2019 11:03:50 AM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ("Washington, DC. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious")
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To: GOPJ

“Also, there’s ZERO protection for the homeland. That’s nuts.”

Reagan was the last US president who even talked about protecting the homeland with a missile defense. The two Bushes, Clinton, Obama, and even Trump showed zero interest, yet have ensnared the military in endless wars overseas costing trillions that could have been spent on protecting the homeland. During the 8 years in this decade when the GOP controlled the House and power of the purse, where were the appropriations for homeland defense? No money for a wall, no money for missile defense. Yet the GOP fully funded Planned Parenthood and every failed social program conceived during the last 60 years. An epic abdication of their first responsibility - keeping the homeland and the citizens safe.

Sadly, the elites and rank and file politicians of both political parties have no interest in anything but lining their own pockets, playing soundbite political games, and enjoying the good life inside the beltway. When the day of reckoning comes with the Chicoms they will find their bunkers won’t protect them and they will die just as quickly as the unprotected citizens in the heartland.

This nation badly needs a wakeup call. It may be a tragedy such as the Iranians or North Koreans taking out a couple of aircraft carries with missiles is necessary to end the complacency and malaise affecting this country. CNN video showing the US Navy steaming the carriers remaining to their home ports for “safety” after a sinking might force the American people to wake up and take their voting responsibility seriously. Fear is a great motivator and despite 9/11/2001 the current generations of Americans seem to be fat, dumb, and happy with no fear.


20 posted on 03/10/2019 11:08:34 AM PDT by Soul of the South (The past is gone and cannot be changed. Tomorrow can be a better day if we work on)
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