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To: LibWhacker
Don't be a sucker, Swordmaker. You're smarter than that.

Why thank you. I am that smart. I tutored in physics in college, before I switched my major to economics . . . and you are just not paying attention if you are swallowing the orthodox line.

Equating the Electric/Plasma Universe— where we KNOW that 99% of the matter we can see in the Universe IS in the form of PLASMA, yet standard, orthodox cosmologist totally ignore everything we know and have learned about the physics of Plasmas and refer to them merely as "hot gases"—to twaddle like astrology??? You show you know nothing about what you are talking about. The EU is based firmly in the science of plasma physics and Electrical physics. Equating that with astrology makes you the pseudo-scientist here, taking a position on something you know squat about. That’s like Carl Sagan writing a scathing review of Immanuel Velikovsky’s book "Worlds in Collision" without ever having even held a copy only using vague hearsay of what he wrote from others who also had not read it. . . Yet we know today that Velikovsky made specific predictions based on his hypotheses about what we would find on Venus, which Sagan specifically claimed were totally outrageously WRONG HEADED, but which we now know were right on the money. Velikovsky predicted we would find that Venus had an extremely hot (900°C ) surface temperature, an atmosphere made up of high CO2 At 90 Bar, etc. that’s what the Russian Venera probe found 19 years after Velikovsky made his predictions and Sagan contradicted him.

Your article claims the Electric Universe cosmologists "don’t make predictions" but that is a bald faced lie. I have told you of the predictions the EU Cosmologists have made. . . and ALL of them have been proved to be true. One of the biggest predictions that proved to be true was that comets were not dirty snowballs but were essentially indistinguishable from asteroids. Prior to the spacecraft rendezvous, Electric Universe Cosmologists made nineteen specific predictions about what would happen on the Deep Impact expedition to Comet Tempel 1, most of them completely contrary to the expectations of the orthodoxy, and ALL NINETEEN proved to be true, including extraordinary events not expected at all by mission planners!

Contrary to that ad hominem filled straw man rant critical article of Sarah Scoles, which I’ve read several times in the past, and in which I have yet to see a cogent argument on the tenets of what the EU actually proposes, instead she presents pointless and inaccurate innuendos against mostly unknown EU Internet proponents. She spends a lot of time seemingly denigrating the people she associates with EU sites, not the facts presented. The people, she implies are not qualified to hold an opinion. . . That must be left to their betters who have already made the conclusion based having ‘done the math’ and ‘knowing’ stuff they ‘know’ who aren’t to be challenged by the peasants. Why, they read the text books!

The fact is the EU proponents actually do rely on observable evidence, facts, and calculable math, Plasma math that doesn’t rely on adding fudge factors of "dark" matter and "dark" energy that no one can detect or find the source for required just to force their math to work. Math that can be taken into a laboratory and applied and tested.

I have the impression you did not bother to even read what I posted to you, especially the serious questions I asked you. . . about the sun, or click on any of the links, because you have already dismissed it all out-of-hand as "garbage, right? How closed minded of you. Everything is "settled science," isn’t it. . . Even when standard cosmology Solar scientists state they don’t know how something happens and "it’s a mystery" (that’s a quote, by the way).

The EU proponents can demonstrate what they are talking about in the laboratory, contrary to Standard cosmologists who can only point to their elegantly fudged math formulas THAT WITHOUT THEIR FUDGE FACTORED IN DON’T REFLECT THE REAL WORLD!

You can tell these critics are grasping at straws when they refer to Nicola Tesla and Nobel Prize winner Hannes Alfvén as pseudoscience quacks who give EU proponents a bad aroma. Nicola Tesla? A pseudo scientist quack? Really?

Please explain the objects I challenged you to explicate purely in terms of gravity. What holds a Herbig-Haro object together over a span of 75 light years, LibWhacker? How do you explain the multi-lightyear long double lobed Twin Jet Nebula with plasmids that looks exactly like a two inch long Z-pinch Plasma with plasmids that can be easily created in a plasma laboratory and scaled larger merely by increasing power? Please explain how GRAVITY can create what we see in these bi-polar objects when, as far as we know, gravity does not have a bi-polar or even a linear directionality function, but works in a globular, unipolar modality only. Please explain how the "jets" ejected from neutron stars and supposed black holes can remain collimated for hundreds of light years without a force of some kind to prevent them from obeying Boyle-Mariotte’s Law and, for that matter just sheer entropy, the farther they get from the so-called jet’s nozzle?

I find it amusing that standard cosmologists are willing to use the argument of quantumized red shift as one of the arguments for the existence and even the necessity for "dark" matter and energy, but fail to recognize that Harlton ARP, the astronomer who discovered that inconvenient fact was a proponent of the Electric Universe. . . and was then prevented from getting telescope time as a heretic!

You seem to think there are no scientists involved in the EU cosmology proponents. . . and this snide article with its poor caricature drawing of Wallace Thornhill intended to show him in a bad light tries to show that. . . But there are physicists, astronomers, and cosmologists as well as Plasma physicists and electrical engineers involved who are working in their fields.

“Mathematics is not physics" is taking Thornhill out of context. . . but he is right when to get one’s math to work requires one to divorce oneself from what can be actually observe in the real world. When one has to fudge the math to make it fit by stuffing in non-observable or non-measured data to get your math to work, one better re-examine one’s basic assumptions. Something is wrong. Mathematics can only be a way of describing what you observe. Computer models are NOT the real world. Put garbage in, you are going to get garbage out.

48 posted on 04/06/2019 2:48:31 AM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigot!)
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To: Swordmaker

Great to see a fellow Electric Universe enthusiast, Swordy.

Electric discharge between Earth and another planetary-scale body whose plasma sheaths came into contact created the Great Lakes in 10,900 B.C. and wiped out all large flora and fauna in North America, including the Clovis Indian culture which spanned America. The atmosphere was ignited.

The catastrophe also caused a global cooling of about 18 degrees which lasted 1500 years and was responsible for killing off the large animal species in the rest of the Northern hemisphere (other than North America) over about a 500 year period.

This climatic period is known as the Younger Dryas. This was not an ice age despite the cooling. It probably resulted from dust orbiting in the stratosphere, which probably resulted in perpetual darkness. Human populations barely survived outside the tropics. The dust may have been cleared by another close passage such as a comet in about 9400 B.C.

Let there be light.


49 posted on 04/08/2019 9:23:39 PM PDT by Disestablishmentarian
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To: Swordmaker

Okay, first, I sincerely apologize to you if I was rude. I’m really trying to reign in that unpleasant part of my personality. But I did mean it when I said I’m not going to spend any time studying EU, astrology, etc.

So you are correct in saying I didn’t read all your comments in your last post. Nor have I read all these comments. Until EU aficionados recognize the importance of peer review and the stupendous contributions of physicists and mathematicians to our cumulative understanding of the world, and demonstrate a little more reluctance to toss out those methods, it’s hard for me to take very seriously.

So, best of luck to you, Swordmaker, and I sincerely hope you guys are able someday to make an astounding discovery that knocks my socks off and makes me realize the error of my ways. Lord knows, there is plenty of error in my ways. What’s the difference between a mathematician and non-mathematician? A mathematician, or aspiring mathematician, has made more mistakes than almost any other human on earth. (And I don’t blame you if you haven’t read this far!)


50 posted on 04/09/2019 5:32:14 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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