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Olympic runner Semenya loses fight over testosterone rules
ASS Press ^ | May 1, 2019 | GRAHAM DUNBAR

Posted on 05/04/2019 8:44:39 AM PDT by upchuck

GENEVA (AP) — The sports world’s highest court ruled Wednesday that Olympic gold medalist Caster Semenya and other female runners like her with unusually high testosterone must take medication to reduce their levels of the male sex hormone if they want to compete in certain events — a landmark decision with far-reaching ramifications for other women’s sports.

In a 2-1 ruling, the Court of Arbitration for Sport upheld proposed rules issued by track’s governing body, the IAAF, saying that they are discriminatory but that “such discrimination is a necessary, reasonable and proportionate means” of “preserving the integrity of female athletics.”

(Excerpt) Read more at apnews.com ...


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KEYWORDS: itsamanbaby; olympics
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Sorry for the short excerpt. AP article. More at link.

It will be interesting to see the affect of this ruling on other women's sports competitions that are being won by gender-confused men who think the're women.

1 posted on 05/04/2019 8:44:39 AM PDT by upchuck
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Maybe Semenya was just “born that way”.

All I can say is “Them’s the breaks”, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one.


2 posted on 05/04/2019 8:47:01 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: upchuck

Caster also has an unusually large penis for a woman.


3 posted on 05/04/2019 8:47:08 AM PDT by Levy78
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other female runners like her

Sorry. Someone with XY chromosomes and testes ain't "female" or a "her."
4 posted on 05/04/2019 8:50:05 AM PDT by irishjuggler
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“unusually large penis for a woman”.

So does Mooshelle. I saw it flopping all over the place on “her” dance exhibition on the Ellen show.


5 posted on 05/04/2019 8:52:28 AM PDT by spiderpig (Does whatever a SpiderPig does)
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But, it’s A-OK for men to CLAIM to be a woman...and then compete against REAL wymens.


6 posted on 05/04/2019 8:52:28 AM PDT by moovova
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Blood tests, acceptable testosterone levels, blah, blah, blah. They are making it all so unnecessarily complicated.

Just take a cell sample from the individual. If the sample shows XY chromosomes, the person competes in men’s sports. If XX, in women’s sports. So easy. So simple.


7 posted on 05/04/2019 8:54:31 AM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: upchuck

That is not a woman


8 posted on 05/04/2019 8:55:45 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is EVIL and needs to be eradicated)
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To: upchuck

So, just asking, is it a man or a woman? The article uses the “she” pronoun, over and over, but then they’d do that whether it was a guy or a girl. So which is it?


9 posted on 05/04/2019 9:05:06 AM PDT by jim35 (The Tree of Liberty is in need of refreshing.)
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She’s a he with XY chromosomes & undescended testes. Shouldn’t even have been an issue.


10 posted on 05/04/2019 9:11:00 AM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: upchuck

But men who “identify” as women can compete with as much testosterone as they can manufacture.


11 posted on 05/04/2019 9:11:21 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Capitalism produces EVERYTHING Socialists/Communists/Democratic-Socialists wish to "redistribute.")
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This won’t last. The left will side with their freaks and soon women will win NOTHING but make believe sports like ribbon dancing. Tranies will compete in women’s events and finally their will be NO gender specific events. When we get there the left will have destroyed another part of our culture and moved on to its next target.


12 posted on 05/04/2019 9:18:43 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Leaning Right

Bump! Simple. XY is XY and XX is XX as determined by GOD at conception. Ain’t gonna change.


13 posted on 05/04/2019 9:26:14 AM PDT by upchuck ("Bloggers" is the most abused forum on FR. Most posts made there should be in chat.)
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To: upchuck

“Semen? Yeah!”


14 posted on 05/04/2019 9:27:29 AM PDT by Disambiguator (Keepin' it analog.)
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I say leave her alone. If she really is XX, then making her take drugs to reduce her performance smacks of the Handicapper General, and we don’t want to go down that road. If she is a deluded XY or just pretending to be XX, then I think having grievance politics backfire on the feminists who started it is delicious and satisfying. Yum Yum!!


15 posted on 05/04/2019 9:28:07 AM PDT by beef (Caution: Potential Sarcasm - Process Accordingly)
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can't she just say she IDENTIFIES as a female? works for the real guys
16 posted on 05/04/2019 9:43:45 AM PDT by Chode ( WeÂ’re America, Bitch!)
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wait a minute... i think that IS a guy!!!


17 posted on 05/04/2019 9:45:30 AM PDT by Chode ( WeÂ’re America, Bitch!)
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To: upchuck

What the hell kind of name is ‘Caster’?


18 posted on 05/04/2019 10:05:31 AM PDT by real saxophonist (One side has guns and training. Other side's primary concern is 'gender identity'. Who's gonna win?)
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Definitely.


19 posted on 05/04/2019 10:09:58 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: leaning conservative
She’s a he with XY chromosomes & undescended testes. Shouldn’t even have been an issue.

Caster has often been referenced over the years as a genuinely intersex person. If that's the case, things can get pretty convoluted. S/he may be a unique case. BUT: there seems to be a conspiracy of silence in the media about the details of "her" condition.

I gather from various reports that s/he has undescended testes and has no uterus or ovaries. "Her" general appearance is masculine, when clothed. One complication, however, is that when s/he was young and before s/he became an elite international competitor, s/he apparently was required repeatedly to submit to visual physical exams. The South African youth sports authorities at that time allowed her to compete as female, so I've always presumed that her genitalia pass that test.

What I can't find is any information about whether she was sexually ambiguous at birth. Sometimes the parents and docs huddle and make a choice. Sometimes a little surgery is done on infants; this is the true situation in which a gender is "assigned at birth." Sometimes the docs and parents make a mistake.

S/he was raised as a girl and has always competed against girls. But the nitty gritty details seem to be withheld. Does she have XX or XY chromosomes? Do we know this for certain? There are some very rare cases in which XX and XY chromosomes themselves get scrambled, or when really weird stuff (that's a technical term) blocks the normal expression and development of male or female sexual characteristics. Does she have a penis or some kind of vagina? Is this natural or was it surgically done when she was very young? I gather that she is the husband in her marriage and that her wife is pregnant; that is old news at this point, but there seems to be a blackout on followup. If there is a child, how did they manage it?

Caster may be an extremely rare case. My frustration is the blackout on specific, detailed information. Yes, s/he has a generic privacy right concerning her medical condition. But she is also the subject of nonstop speculation, she is a possibly ambiguous case forcing her way into women's athletics where s/he may or may not belong, and I would think that transparency is the best solution. Will there be some knuckle dragging idiots who would treat an intersex person as a freak? Yes, probably. But overwhelmingly -- in this day and age -- people will be sympathetic to a unique and difficult case. The backlash is caused by the secrecy, which suggests that s/he is cheating. It has gotten very political, with racial grievances factoring in. (If Caster were white and competed for a first world country, the whole situation would be treated differently.) And the gender radicals are exploiting the confusion to insist that subjective gender identification should be dispositive, which is really not a useful contribution to what may be a difficult case.

Just what, exactly, is her condition?

If she is genuinely intersex, where should she compete? That might be a tough question. S/he would be an extreme rarity. It's not as if we could arrange an intersex Olympics. One solution might be to openly acknowledge the uniqueness of the situation, allow her to compete against women, put an asterisk in the record books, and if she medals in an event, award two golds, two silvers, etc., one to Caster, with an asterisk, and the other to the "normal" woman.

20 posted on 05/04/2019 10:27:37 AM PDT by sphinx
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