Olympic runner Semenya loses fight over testosterone rules

ASS Press ^ | May 1, 2019 | GRAHAM DUNBAR

[Mr. K]

Women’s sports should be limited by XX / XY chromosomes and NOTHING ELSE

[SauronOfMordor]

I would make the rule: has XX chromosomes, and is physiologically female, she can compete with women, otherwise competes with men.

[W.]

Is that Russell Cosby? Heh...

[Wuli]

The test should not be for hormones unless the test can distinguish hormones made by the body from hormones artificially given to the body by pills or injections.

What is really needed now is a DNA test, for the male and female chromosomes. Persons should not be able to compete as female when their DNA shows they have the male chromosome, no matter what they want to call themself.

[grania]

She's been told she must take medication, while most athletes are told they can't take medication.

This is where I'm confused. Those who are gender confused take medication to be what they aren't. In a sane, consistent world, taking medications would eliminate either everyone or no one.

[cherry]

I was born short....no one gives a hoot that I can’t be an NBA player....

[sphinx]

Yes, but … it gets messy. The world “hermaphrodite” is now considered taboo, but such people exist. And there is a long list of very rare genetic abnormalities in which normal sexual differentiation gets all mixed up. When the gender radicals say that even biological sex isn’t binary, this is what they’re talking about — those few, at least, who understand the genetics, as opposed to those exploiting the confusion to press other agendas.

[SauronOfMordor]

Hermaphrodite, intersex, XXY, whatever. Under my proposed rule, if you are not unambiguously biologically female, then you compete with the guys.

[Chode]

it’s something

[cherry]

dna must be the deciding factor......but the problem is if you allow high testosterone people even if female(women DO have some testosterone) then countries and sports agents and even families will push the envelope like Russia/Germany supposedly did and make their girls bigger, faster, stronger, etc....

I despise our crazy culture......

[metmom]

I presume the, that trannies are banned from women’s competition as well?

[upchuck]

There have been several articles about gender-confused men who think they’re women competing in women’s athletic events and winning.

I remember one article, sorry, no link, about a women’s weight lifting event where a man had won it three years running.

Seems like a simple DNA test would be the best solution. Hormones can be jiggered, DNA cannot.

[libertylover]

If the sample shows XY chromosomes, the person competes in men’s sports. If XX, in women’s sports. So easy. So simple.

Similar to taking a DNA sample of a pregnant woman and a DNA sample of her fetus. If they match, abortion is allowed. No match? No abortion. So simple.

On a larger scale, bad things happen when governments pretend things to be true that aren't true: pretending that Black people aren't people => slavery; pretending that Jews aren't people => holocaust; pretending that preborn people aren't people => abortion; pretending that boys are girls => end of women's sports competition (coming).

[Leaning Right]

> bad things happen when governments pretend things to be true that aren’t true <

Well said.

[Maigrey]

And yet she is and has this issue because of what is referred to as Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome - what makes someone truly intersex. She has undergone numerous physicals showing external appearances as a woman (whether being modified at birth for having ambiguous external genitalia) (and medically, most who are told they are intersex are surgically modified at birth or soon after as a girl - yet she is also sterile.) and has competed as a woman since she was a child.

Her condition has been the subject of lawsuits and problems for the decade she's been competing at the elite level. As for looking masculine, I look masculine when I put on some kinds of clothes. So?

As for the details concerning her particular situation, almost all of it is under seal because of the extensive court cases surrounding her and have been for years. But because of her situation, she has been accused of cheating almost her entire professional career.

But forcing her to take medication to lower her natural testosterone production to level the playing field is wrong. But allowing men thinking they are women to compete with women will destroy women's sports - which I think many men would cheer privately.

My idea? Allow her to finish out her career or buy her out for good - somewhere in the field of $25M and then set up rules that a genetic test is required and if you are XX then you compete in women's sports and XY for men's - regardless if you think you're a woman or not.

Anything less than such is a Bill of Attainder and illegal.

Bad cases make for worse laws.

[YogicCowboy]

Absolutely astounding.

Diversity is divisiveness.

[YogicCowboy]

But that would be objective and rational... sort of like Voter ID.

[leaning conservative]

Very thoughtful & interesting post. And yes, being born intersex would be a pretty huge burden to bear.