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To: amorphous
What if instead of expanding, the universe is actually contracting, growing smaller at an ever increasing rate like expanding foam, but in reverse?

The Universe is a gigantic Black Hole. All galaxies are "falling" down the hole.

Galaxies "farther down" the hole are "falling" faster than us and appear to be receding from us.

Galaxies for which we are "farther" down are not "falling" as fast as we and also appear to be receding from us.

I wish I had the Math capability to examine this theory.

17 posted on 07/16/2019 11:51:45 AM PDT by FroggyTheGremlim ( The following statement is false. The previous statement is true.)
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To: eCSMaster

The “Big Bang” is the Event Horizon for this Black Hole.


18 posted on 07/16/2019 11:56:01 AM PDT by FroggyTheGremlim ( The following statement is false. The previous statement is true.)
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To: eCSMaster

If that was the case shouldn’t there be some galaxies
that appear to be stationary, ie falling at the same
rate as ourselves, unless once you enter a black hole
everything starts expanding again???

Signed Confused.

Ps. While this text appears to me here and now it’s
actually there and then to you. Quantum textual entanglement?


19 posted on 07/16/2019 11:58:24 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: eCSMaster; amorphous; Red Badger
Ever since the Hubble Telescope was put up 20 years ago we've had to ditch the Oscillating Universe theory.

Oscillating Universe: the belief that all matter came from a point singularity, the point had a Big Bang and slung all matter out, the universe expanded for a long time but eventually the expansion slowed to a halt and reversed, bringing all matter back into a central point to repeat the big bang over & over infinitely.

The reason we believed that: basically the Christians pointed out that if the big bang was true it was pretty amazing coincidences for matter and energy to randomly be slung out, clump together in various ways, and wound up with one corner of the universe having properties unique for having a unique solar system that could have a unique planet earth for advanced life to live on. So the atheists came up with the idea of the oscillating universe, saying infinite big bangs would yield an eventual universe where things were juuuuussssst right for advanced life.

Then came the Hubble Telescope. Before it was launched the predictions were that when we look even further out than we have before, which means we'll look even further back in time than before, we'll observe that the universe used to expand a lot faster than it does now. The idea is that the Oscillating Universe theory demands the expansion slows to one day stop and reverse, all to prove the Christians were wrong about the fine tuning principle of a Creator. Wooops! It turns out that the expansion rate was either constant or is increasing, not decreasing. None of the measurements are exact enough to be sure, but the range of gray area doesn't allow for the expansion to be slowing, if anything it's slowing increasing.

So, it still looks like a big bang. And it still looks like it was a long, long time ago (sorry young earth fellow Christians). But it's a one-time big bang. If things didn't happen to be just right the first time, there's no reset button to try again and again and again until it randomly is right.

Christians own astronomy...as long as we don't let the young earth Christians be the loudest talkers of science.

21 posted on 07/16/2019 12:38:32 PM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: eCSMaster
The Universe is a gigantic Black Hole. All galaxies are "falling" down the hole.

A collapsing universe theory is interesting, though I don't think we're below some "event horizon", but perhaps that gets changed as well.

Something else interesting which comes to mind is the "galaxy rotation problem". One of the biggest mysteries today, which gave birth to the "dark matter" theories, is the measured rotation of arms, of spiral galaxies, do not spin as expected according to Keplerian dynamics.

So to explain this phenomenon, additional gravity is needed in the form of dark matter (since we can't see it).

But could a spiral galaxy residing inside a collapsing universe explain the phenomenon through conservation of energy in the same way an ice skater pulls in her arms to increase her spinning motion? Would a shrinking galaxy inside of a shrinking universe impart unusual and observable characteristics to its rotational speed? And if so, would measurable rotational characteristics vary for galaxies located at the boundary from those galaxies located near the universe's center?

As always, more questions than answers!

27 posted on 07/16/2019 8:32:10 PM PDT by amorphous
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