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Poor Schools Keep Getting Crushed in Football. Is It Time to Level the Playing Field?
The New York Times ^ | Sept. 22, 2019 | Timothy Williams

Posted on 09/24/2019 10:00:54 AM PDT by FewsOrange

DES MOINES — An hour before kickoff at a game this month at Hoover High School, the opposing football team, Indianola High, pulled up and unloaded the large video monitor that would let its coaching staff analyze plays, moment by moment, throughout the game. The coaches at Hoover High, where most students qualify for free or reduced-price meals, would have to make do with watching the old-fashioned way. Another loss, a Hoover student told the principal, seemed imminent.

Indianola ran 84 yards for a touchdown on their first play, the running back shedding Hoover’s smaller players like a video-game villain. The game ended in a 35-7 loss for Hoover, to no one’s surprise.

During the past decade, Hoover High and Des Moines’s four other large public high schools have a cumulative record of 0-104 against rivals with more affluent student bodies from the Polk County suburbs, ...

With all that losing, leaders in places like Des Moines are contemplating a change in how high school athletic teams are matched up against one another: What if the poverty level of a school’s student body was used to decide which teams it played? ...

Over the past few years, officials overseeing high school sports in states including Minnesota, Oregon and Colorado have added provisions allowing schools with high poverty levels to drop down to lower athletic divisions. Washington State will introduce the idea next year, and Iowa is considering it.

Schools are commonly assigned to athletic divisions based on their enrollment, and Hoover, with more than 1,000 students, has long been placed in the state’s top athletic division, competing with the largest of Iowa’s public and private high schools. Its traditional rivals include city schools with relatively high poverty rates, but also suburban schools that have won the past nine state championships....

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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I do think that dividing schools purely on enrollment size is a bit arbitrary. Why not simply do it by ability. The best teams are division 1, the next best are division 2 and so on.

If you do well in division 3 you move up to division 2, if you go 0-whatever in division 1 you drop down. If the lowest division matches up a small enrollment school which puts a lot of effort into football against a much larger school that is not as good as other large schools, what does it matter as long as the teams are well matched.

1 posted on 09/24/2019 10:00:54 AM PDT by FewsOrange
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Its got nothing to do with money

The same reason “poor” schools fail at football, is the same reason they fail at academics.


2 posted on 09/24/2019 10:04:59 AM PDT by PGR88
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Be proactive! Put football out of it’s misery at the HS level. It’s a moronic sport played mainly by genetic freaks.


3 posted on 09/24/2019 10:05:34 AM PDT by JonPreston
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To: FewsOrange

When I saw “Hoover High” I immediately thought of Hoover, Alabama which is a perennial power in Alabama.


4 posted on 09/24/2019 10:06:46 AM PDT by yarddog ( For I am persuaded.)
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Seems like the poorer schools would have more black players.

Does Iowa not know how to fairly rank their football games? Let the lower ranked schools player each other. The higher class teams play each other.

Problem solved.


5 posted on 09/24/2019 10:08:28 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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Yeah. I ran into stuff like that when I was a child and poor.

I could see that there are advantages to being rich and none to being poor. It made me work hard, stay in school, study and learn, and get rich.

Truth and reality are excellent teachers.

6 posted on 09/24/2019 10:08:39 AM PDT by Savage Beast (You'd think they'd learn from the Roadrunner Cartoons, but they just send off to Acme and try again.)
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Simple solution, just schedule the poor schools to play the Miami Dolphins.


7 posted on 09/24/2019 10:08:51 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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The poorest school when I played 81-84 would regularly wipe the floor with us. You could not find a white face on Blanche Ely HS in Fort Lauderdale and it was like playing a prison yard, but those kids could ball. They regularly had 3-5 D1 prospects on their varsity at any one time and 1/2 the team played college ball somewhere.

I have an idea instead of whining about losing so much...play better. I hear this whining at the college level now also. You have the top 4...Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma and then you have everyone else. Those 4 programs sell their soul to get victories but it's not up to them to play worse or be made worse by the NCAA, its up to the Floridas, Oregons, LSUs and Michigans to play better.

8 posted on 09/24/2019 10:10:45 AM PDT by pburgh01 (Negan all the MSM)
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I think it was Bear Bryant -way back in the days of segregation - that was ‘always’ crying about Bama being a powerhouse in the South but go to Michigan and Ohio etc and get our backsides handed to us by players that grew up in the shadows of ‘Bama but weren’t allowed to play in Alabama.

It changed....


9 posted on 09/24/2019 10:14:02 AM PDT by xrmusn
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That’s why Bear scheduled to play USC in 1970, he knew Bama would get their hides tanned and force to the school to allow black players.


10 posted on 09/24/2019 10:15:15 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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Better idea. Mandate that all teams be 50% male and female. Oh, and get rid of the "scoring" fetish. Knowing who is winning is emotionally oppressive. Winning itself is demonstrating patriarchal inequality.

That way, everyone can be losers.

11 posted on 09/24/2019 10:17:52 AM PDT by jonascord (First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is that you do not know you are in the Dunning-Kruger club.)
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Good idea. And bring this fairness percentage idea to the NFL.

Limit black players to just 13% of the team. Bring in more white players.

Affirmative Action must work both ways or it is just another instance of Racism.


12 posted on 09/24/2019 10:20:54 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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Or the schools drop football and host co-ed soccer in the stadiums on Saturday afternoon. Liberals love that pansy game. I would no allow my kids to play that crap and they are better for it.


13 posted on 09/24/2019 10:23:18 AM PDT by pburgh01 (Negan all the MSM)
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Bryant had already recruited and signed black players before that game. Wilbur Jackson was already playing on the freshman team that year.


14 posted on 09/24/2019 10:26:18 AM PDT by boycott
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Wilbur Jackson, the first black to sign a football scholarship at Alabama, was a freshman and ineligible to play in 1970.


15 posted on 09/24/2019 10:31:44 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: FewsOrange

Around here some of the poorer schools in rougher areas (McKeesport, Woodland Hills, Aliquippa, Clairton) generally have some of the best teams.


16 posted on 09/24/2019 10:32:19 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer.)
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> Put football out of it’s misery at the HS level. <

I think that eventually will happen. Because the times they are a’changing. Players with suspected long-term concussion injuries will get lawyers. The lawyers will sue the school districts. And then the district’s liability insurance will become too expensive.


17 posted on 09/24/2019 10:33:07 AM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: FewsOrange

Eliminate the scoring system. Everybody wins.


18 posted on 09/24/2019 10:33:26 AM PDT by moovova
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That’s why Bear scheduled to play USC in 1970, he knew Bama would get their hides tanned and force to the school to allow black players.

I attended that game. Another factor was the Bear had preferred smaller and quicker linemen during his first decade or so at Alabama. Sam Cunningham was as big as many of Alabama's linemen and linebackers, which made bringing him down even more difficult. He changed his philosophy about the size of lineman during those same years.

19 posted on 09/24/2019 10:36:43 AM PDT by Will88 (The only people opposing voter ID are those benefiting from voter fraud.)
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One of the most black student schools, most poorest in Charlotte, kicked many teams butts for years. They were a fine football team. Outstanding band too.


20 posted on 09/24/2019 10:37:05 AM PDT by moovova
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