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1 posted on 01/03/2020 6:41:06 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
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Obama and Hillary had the LEADER of Libya murdered IN LIBYA by having a bayonet shoved up his behind.


2 posted on 01/03/2020 6:44:17 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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I don’t think you understand the Prime Directive: Black man good, Orange man bad.


3 posted on 01/03/2020 6:44:21 PM PST by fhayek
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This is going to get good. Remember,the mullahs get their news from CNN,WaPo and NYT. They believed all the impeachment garbage and thought Pres. Trump was weakened.Ooops!!
LMAO!
6 posted on 01/03/2020 6:56:54 PM PST by SanchoP (Yippy,the next generation search engine.)
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....surpassed 2,800 strikes against targets in Iraq and Syria under President Obama’s war against the Islamic State

Obama: So who's counting?

7 posted on 01/03/2020 6:58:10 PM PST by frank ballenger (End vote fraud & harvesting,non-citizen voting & leftist media news censorship or we are finished.)
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Don’t forget Libya.


9 posted on 01/03/2020 7:02:48 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Everyone who favors socialism plans on the government taking other people's money, not theirs.)
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under President Obama’s war against the Islamic State

Ha! I wonder who the real targets were. Probably Yazidi Christian girl schools.

10 posted on 01/03/2020 7:06:18 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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Not to forget - Obama had a drone “hit list” on his desk.


13 posted on 01/03/2020 7:16:23 PM PST by llevrok (Vote while it is still legal)
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The Founders rightly put the requirement in the Constitution the nation would not go to war without Congress approving. War is a serious expenditure of money and the blood of citizens. It deserves sober national debate and the agreement of the affirmative vote of the representatives of the people.

Sadly, in the 20th Century the requirement Congress declare war has been abandoned due to the perceived need for expediency, the subordination of national sovereignty to treaties, and the absence of political will. Congress has gladly abdicated this responsibility to the executive branch. This allows Congressmen to have it both ways. If the war is popular with the people they can claim to be in favor. If the war is unpopular individual Congressmen can oppose it and blame the president. Instead of the government and people being united in the effort, unpopular wars divide the nation at a time when we should be together.

Consider the Afghan and Iraq wars in the first decade of this century. If George W. Bush had asked for an actual Declaration of War there would have been a national debate and every Congressman and Senator would have been forced to go on record. By passing a “resolution” instead of a declaration, as the war dragged on Congressmen were able to constantly attack the president and the war effort. Hypocrisy become much uglier if it involves a vote to actually declare war.

Under Obama the power of the imperial president became obscene. Obama claimed the authority to kill American citizens without due process of law in drone strikes. Congress did not object even though the Constitution grants every citizen the right to due process. Obama assumed and exercised unconstitutional powers just as Harry Truman, Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, and both George Bush’s had done. No one is clean when it comes to ignoring the Constitution with respect to committing the nation to war.

To his credit President Trump recognized the damage being done to the nation by having the US military continuously in combat in multiple locations in the world. By the 21st Century War was no longer a measure of last resort, or measure required to defend the homeland from immediate danger. Instead war was perpetual and a significant function of the state, not to mention a significant piece of the economy. Trump ran on a platform of bringing US troops home and extricating the country from what the founders would call “foreign adventures.”

Had Trump not been ensnared in the faux Russia investigation for his first two years in office he might have been able to accomplish his goal. The US had become energy independent. He could have extricated US forces from the Middle East forcing the Europeans to defend their oil supply and the Israeli’s to seek other alliances. The truth is, the presence of Russian troops in the Middle East does not threaten the United States. It is of great strategic concern to Israel, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Europe. Yet is has been our nation paying in coin and blood to play the role of policeman in the region. Let the nations of the region decide their own fate.

Consider how ludicrous the current situation is. We have over a million people crossing our southern border illegally each year. The flood across the border is an invasion which saps the economic strength of the nation in many ways. Yet our troops are not defending our border. Our soldiers are dying every day in the Middle East where the local populations hate us and we have no strategic interest. That region of the world has been in turmoil for thousands of years and will remain so long after the United States is long gone.

The question for Americans is do we want to return to the rule of law and adherence to the Constitution? If so, Trump is as wrong on the exercise of military force as his predecessors. He should tell Congress to declare war if he wants to commit troops. He should also tell Congress if they don’t declare war he will bring the troops home — immediately.

If we accept the progressive concept of the “living” Constitution then we should be quite comfortable with the president sending troops to die anywhere at any time. Plus commit the national treasury to support a war of any size, scale and duration the chief executive dictates is appropriate. Let then be honest with ourselves and amend the Constitution to eliminate the declaration of war requirement.

Expediency and precedent are not a good reasons to violate the rule of law and the Constitution. No matter if your name Is Donald Trump, Barack Obama, George Bush, Bill Clinton, or Ronald Reagan.


15 posted on 01/03/2020 7:30:44 PM PST by Soul of the South (The past is gone and cannot be changed. Tomorrow can be a better day if we work on i)
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Assuming that this doesn’t escalate and go bad, which seems unlikely, this is great for the President, politically.

His white, strongly babyboomer, heavily Evangelical base gets the military action in the Middle East that they so desperately desire. This can even help Benjamin Netanyahu, which is paramount for that base.

His Democrat rivals will all look like tiny little wussies as they carp about Congressional approval over REAL MAN STUFF, while looking like they are not capable of implementing the same or any other policy. GOPers like Marco Rubio can pretend that they are Rambo over this.

The President can say that this action shows he might be willing to use force at our own border against the drug cartels like he threatened a few weeks back. LOL. That would actually serve U.S. interests, so that will not be happening, but his base might buy the pretense. He has to make them believe he will take decisive action on their behalf in a 2nd term. I hope he does. All we have is hope.

President Trump will get glowing coverage from Neocon outlets like the Wall Street Journal and Fox News Channel (apart from Tucker Carlson; but, rest assured, Hannity will still be serving up plenty of Freedom Fries), among others on Twitter and YouTube. The “Never Trumpers’ will suddenly be all over this. Even Bill Kristol will be on aboard, oddly enough; maybe even John Podhoretz. It won’t last long; probably not even through the impeachment BS.

The impetus for this might not have been political, but now it’s political. Use it.


16 posted on 01/03/2020 7:38:17 PM PST by cdcdawg (Cornpop was a bad dude!)
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There is an important difference, Obama was bombing empty sand.


19 posted on 01/03/2020 8:11:59 PM PST by PTBAA
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yeah, but those weren’t ‘strike’ strikes


20 posted on 01/03/2020 8:13:01 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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Obama launched 2,800 strikes on Iraq and Syria without congressional approval. https://t.co/aAvJauS27U— Mark R. Levin (@marklevinshow) January 4, 2020


22 posted on 01/03/2020 11:25:00 PM PST by conservative98
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And Pelosi said they were SPECTACULAR!!!


23 posted on 01/03/2020 11:26:16 PM PST by conservative98
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