Daily New Deaths in Sweden Daily New Deaths in the United States

Worldometer ^ | April 13,2020 | Hojzyk

[DiogenesLamp]

You think ten times the normal death rate could be explained by "category shifting"? As if classifying a heart attack as Coronavirus is going to result in ten times the normal death rate?

I'm either not understanding what you are saying, or not understanding your thinking.

The death rate from *ALL* causes is 10 times the normal death rate, and it just happened to show up with the virus.

[Strident]

Oh very good! So we do have that data in toto. And the total mortality, not rate*, is 10x from last year?

and MVAs are way down? and elective procedure mishaps are down.

How awful. That’s stunning.

*The trouble with comparing rates is you have to hold the denominators steady.

I’m not espousing any particular conclusion. Just asking about the data. I have no other dog in this hunt, sorry if it came across otherwise.

[ModelBreaker]

“Native Swedes are not like us. When their government says try working from home, they work from home. When their government says maintain social distancing, they maintain social distancing.”

I’ve spent a fair amount of time there. I agree with your comment. Swedes are much better behaved, on average, than Americans.

[slowhandluke]

But they have a lot of New Swedes, so things aren’t as they were.

[Osage Orange]

Yeah..and them Muzzie "Swedes" follow along....../s

BS...

[DiogenesLamp]

I make no claims regarding the data. I have no idea if it is accurate, but another freeper posted in last week, and I find it unlikely that he would make it up.

If it is accurate, it is very significant. If it isn't, then it's just noise.

[DiogenesLamp]

I’ve spent a fair amount of time there. I agree with your comment. Swedes are much better behaved, on average, than Americans.

Socialism is much more acceptable to people of a Homogeneous stock. I have long noticed that socialism is an effort to apply family dynamics to larger populations.

In a family, it really is "from each according to their ability, to each according to their need."

Mamma and Daddy contribute the most, but in a properly functioning family, the children contribute too.

And yes, Sweden has long been very Homogeneous.

For people coming from differing genetic backgrounds, it is objectionable to think they should support others who are not of their blood.

That's one reason what might fly in Sweden, most certainly will not fly here.

[AppyPappy]

NYers are like cats. They are outraged that other people aren’t staying home while they are out getting a coffee. Or walking through the park so you can tell people the park is closed.

[Chaguito]

True, that it’s not necessarily instructive to compare Sweden to New York. But the profiles for Sweden and Denmark are practically identical. Lockdown did not make a difference between adjacent countries with similar demographics.

[immadashell]

That means 90% of the Corona deaths in. the whole country are coming out of NY.

Yup! Who is the governor of New York? Oh yes, he’s the guy who stockpiled respirators and then ragged on Trump for not supplying enough. Oh yes, he’s the guy who denied the use of hydroxychloroquine to doctors who prescribed its use for their patients. Oh yes, he’s the guy who the MSM and a lot of RATs want to replace Slo Joe with. Oh yes! (sigh)

[Steven Scharf]

671 New Yorkers died out of a total of 745 for the whole country!

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That means 90% of the Corona deaths in. the whole country are coming out of NY

Immadashell’s information is wrong. Sunday, April 12 US deaths were 1,528 and NYs were 758. More like 50% from NY.

Always trust but verify.

[Glad2bnuts]

People are dying at home simply because a trip to the Hospital guarantees death, and dying alone. If I had an illness, not only would I not go to the Hospital, I would try my very best to not let hospital staff know. I was sick with “the symptoms” last Wednesday till Friday night. I am in the age group of 60-70. I last had chemo February 7th, my last treatment thank you. I would rather everyone else left the house, than subject myself to the madness. I sweated it out, drinking Schweppes, eating Zinc and worrying alone. I didn’t even tell anyone, because they would worry. It sounds like there are a lot more people like me, than those who become test subjects in our nations hospitals.... JMO...but it is honest.

[NautiNurse]

Thank you for useful info (without parrot screeching). Much appreciated.

[immadashell]

My source is Worldometers.info. Yours?

[fr_freak]

I saw a thread on Free Republic that stated the normal "at home" death rate for New York city was 20-24 people per day. The thread also stated that the recent "at home" death rate was over 220 per day.

THat would be easily explained by the fact that nobody is going to the hospital for all of the other reasons that people used to go to the hospital. The only patients in the hospitals now apparently are Chinese COVID patients. Chest pains? Stay at home. Abdominal pain? Stay at home. And in that way they would die at home as well, whereas in past months they would have died in the hospital.

The only real, useful number here would be total deaths in NYC per day, now versus this time last year. Anyone have that number?

[DiogenesLamp]

THat would be easily explained by the fact that nobody is going to the hospital for all of the other reasons that people used to go to the hospital.

Only if you postulate that 220 people dying per day in New York city is a normal condition. If it is, then you can make the argument that the normal deaths per day has shifted from the hospitals to "at home."

Somehow I don't think it's probable that the normal death rate in New York city is 220 people per day.

Even if it were, they are getting ~800 people per day dying in hospitals too.

[amorphous]

I agree with Sweden's PM that there are alternative ways to deal with the spread. Certainly if a people themselves will put into practice actions which prevents the spread of the disease, then there would be no need for the government to enact lockdowns, stop travel and the economy.

People have been working around dangerous pathogens everyday for decades. They are able to do so because they take the necessary steps to prevent infecting themselves, such as wearing appropriate PPE, observing proper hygiene including scrubbing, and showering before and after certain tasks.

There are yet many steps we could take in this country to slow the spread of corona and at the same time restart the economy. A requirement for PPE, regular testing, hygiene education, and enhancing our immune systems are key.

As for Sweden's success, now isn't the time to declare victory. Sweden's numbers are all over the place.

I divide up the data I have on Sweden which starts at 18 March and continues to the present time (26 days):

First 13 days:

Number new cases: 2,816
Number new deaths: 132

Last 13 days:

Number new cases: 6,455
Number new deaths: 753

I came up with a metric I use to score how well a country or state or locale is doing in the battle. It' simply new deaths per day divided by total deaths. I call it the daily fatality index. The plot below demonstrates Sweden's wild numbers. I don't know why Sweden's number vary so greatly. I hope they stay near the bottom, where they are now. I also hope we give Sweden a few more days before we shuck everything we're doing and follow Sweden. And let's remember the Swedish government did ban gatherings of more than 50, back in March. Maybe there are scientific reasons for that particular number?

[GOPJ]

What if the Chinese did their ‘usual’ and put out a crap product... and only the ‘first’ victim gets the full virus load. George Stephanopoulos got the virus from his wife. She was VERY sick - he had a mild case. Maybe he can only pass on the mild version? It would explain the pattern of spread - mostly major airports and interstates...

[Wuli]

Then do the same for South Korea - works out way better than the U.S. or Sweden - on deaths per million.

Getting a BIG jump early with testing, contact tracing and testing the contacts is the main reason I believe S.K. has done so well, because more positive cases, mild or severe get identified, under treatment sooner, get recovered and no longer infect - in spite of the economy not being shut down.

[dfwgator]

South Korea also identified the members of that cult as the primary spreaders and isolated them.