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To: blueplum

I want to know why you are floating CCP type propaganda over the Chapel Hill study..even to the point of trying to say it was a MERS study with a link to a totally different study.

Its like some deep plant backward propaganda.

Why do you refuse to admit the whole purpose of the study was to see if a sars like virus could jump to humans..and the study involved the famous wuhan bat lady to boot.
And when the Us stopped funding and allowing this type of study....they funded the bat lady in china


60 posted on 04/18/2020 6:22:49 AM PDT by RummyChick ( Yeah, it's Daily Mail. So what.)
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To: RummyChick
I want to know why you are floating CCP type propaganda over the Chapel Hill study..

Flaming any source that tries to implicate USA involvement in a Chinese origin virus is 'ccp propaganda' ? In what universe?

Its like some deep plant backward propaganda.

Calling a Chinese virus a Chinese virus is Chinese propaganda? lol. Cute. What's deep plant pay these days?

Why do you refuse to admit the whole purpose of the study was to see if a sars like virus could jump to humans

We already knew Sars could jump to humans. And that it spread by airborne transmission. Epidemic, 2002-3. 2005 Study on Horseshoe bats as carriers of Sars viruses. Feb. 2008 Journal of Virology, the natural bat coronavirus cannot use the human ACE2 receptor to infect humans. 2013, Nature Medicine, Study on Ace-2 and the SHC014/Rs3367 sequences. 2013 Study on Sars amino acids/Ace binding sites. Sep 2015, combining MERS spike (SHC014) WITH BAT virus HKU4 using MA15 mouse backbone. 2018 Chinese study, based on antibody assays of villagers living near bats, providing evidence that direct human jump was unlikely, in the range of about 3% probability.

To clarify, the reason I mentioned MERS research earlier, Journal of Virology, Sep 2015, "Li and Shi jointly conducted a gain-of-function study... on the MERS virus and a bat virus (strain HKU4) in 2015. Since MERS virus can enter human cells but HKU4 can not, they introduced 2 single mutations in the HKU4 spike protein and found that the new mutant S protein can enable HKU4 to enter human cells. If they mutated 2 sites in MERS spike, the resulting MERS pseudovirus (experimental virus) cannot enter human cells anymore."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4524054/

Did the 2015 bioengineering experiment of a not-occuring-naturally virus even relate to real-world conditions, tho? Did we learn more about MERS than we did about SARs? "“The only impact of this work is the creation, in a lab, of a new, non-natural risk,” Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist and biodefence expert at Rutgers University, told Nature."

310 posted on 04/19/2020 4:21:41 AM PDT by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017))
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To: RummyChick
(con't) the study involved the famous wuhan bat lady to boot.

and? It involved a lot of researchers. We even trained some of them on biosecurity at a Texas facility. Back in 2015 the world still had stars in their eyes concerning China, imagining an evolving, democratically leaning China ready to be accepted in the community of world citizens. Unfortunately over the past 5 years, China has proved us wrong, and they have become a problem child to boot. Is Zhengli Shi, the bat lady I guess, being accused of creating a bioweapon? I understood this virus to be naturally occurring?

And when the Us stopped funding and allowing this type of study....they funded the bat lady in china

Right. The US pulled funding in 2014. But the study was already underway so they got in under the wire. I'm a bit confused on 'funding' tho. What funding are we giving them? Or gave them? And to who? The Wuhan CDC lab inside the city or the Level 4 lab or the main office whatever they call it?

According to France, who built (co-built) the level 4 lab 20 miles outside of Wuhan, it didn't open until 2018, although it was completed in late 2015. The $3.7M the USA gave in 2015 could have been for equipment. Or maybe it was just for the Institute in general. Or maybe it was a bribe to keep the freezers running on the 1500 viruses the CCP had managed to accumulate.

Somebody should ask Obama. Or the NIH. Or maybe France is lying? Or maybe China is lying? We should know the story. I bet Pelosi knows. She says she signs all the checks.

"The 300 million yuan ($42 million) lab was completed in 2015, and finally opened in 2018, with the founder of a French bio-industrial firm, Alain Merieux, acting as a consultant in its construction. The institute also has a P3 laboratory that has been in operation since 2012."

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/france-says-no-evidence-covid-19-linked-to-wuhan-research-lab-set-up-with-french-help/ar-BB12P4p0

311 posted on 04/19/2020 4:32:41 AM PDT by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017))
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