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World-first "impossible" rotating detonation engine fires up
New ATLAS ^ | 4 May 2020 | Loz Blain

Posted on 05/07/2020 6:30:26 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

A Florida team working with the US Air Force claims that it's built and tested an experimental model of a rotating detonation rocket engine, which uses spinning explosions inside a ring channel to create super-efficient thrust.

While space propulsion is the key driver for this research, it also has potential terrestrial uses in other cases where high power and low fuel consumption could make a big difference. In 2012, the Naval Research Laboratory estimated that rotating detonation engines could save the Navy 15-20 percent off a ~US$2-billion annual fuel bill if they were retrofitted in place of the gas turbine engines that run over 100 of its large ships. They could also potentially be used in hypersonic and supersonic flights, or even electric power generation, and Ahmed tells us the design has potential as a booster stage engine as well, but it'd require a different type of propellant.

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KEYWORDS: loud; rotaryengine; wankel
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Going to need a monster muffler for this one.
1 posted on 05/07/2020 6:30:26 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: DUMBGRUNT

https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Starship_and_the_Canoe.html?id=oziTGwAACAAJ


2 posted on 05/07/2020 6:33:45 PM PDT by CTyank
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Reminds me of a Jerry Pournelle/Niven book named “Footfall.”


3 posted on 05/07/2020 6:41:46 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Like a cosmic Wankel engine, eh?


4 posted on 05/07/2020 6:44:31 PM PDT by decal (I'm not rude, I don't suffer fools is all.)
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To: decal

Like a cosmic Wankel engine, eh?

Same thing, only different.


5 posted on 05/07/2020 6:52:51 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: ConservativeMind
Reminds me of a Jerry Pournelle/Niven book named “Footfall.”

No, they drop nuke bombs out of the bottom for propulsion. The same theorized propulsion as Project Orion.

6 posted on 05/07/2020 6:57:18 PM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
...Ahmed tells us...

Ahmed? Go ahead and call me racist, but what are his political loyalties when it comes to his religion? Islam Uber Alles?

7 posted on 05/07/2020 6:58:55 PM PDT by Alas Babylon! (The prisons do not fill themselves. Get moving, Barr!)
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To: Alas Babylon!

Mohammedism isnt a race.


8 posted on 05/07/2020 7:22:41 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
Will China be selling these tomorrow?


9 posted on 05/07/2020 7:35:44 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Die-ggl,TWT,FCBK,NYT,WPo,Hwd,CNN,NFL,BLM,CAIR,Antf,SPLC,ESPN,NPR,NBA,ARP,MSNBC)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Make sure it wasn’t built by Acme.


10 posted on 05/07/2020 7:36:26 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: Right Wing Assault

Will China be selling these tomorrow?

Chairman Xi Jinping will probably wait until it is scaled up and operational, why take all the development risk/cost?


11 posted on 05/07/2020 7:40:05 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: DUMBGRUNT

A UCF team has produced a continuously firing prototype of a H2/O2 rotating detonation engine, capable of running until the fuel is turned off – a feat previously thought impossibleProfessor Kareem Ahmed, University of Central Florida

12 posted on 05/07/2020 7:57:15 PM PDT by blam
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“The study presents, for the first time, experimental evidence of a safe and functioning hydrogen and oxygen propellant detonation in a rotating detonation rocket engine,” says Kareem Ahmed, an assistant professor in UCF’s Department of Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering who led the research

Any bets how long Kareem will be keeping it secret before Iran just happens to develop the same engine?


13 posted on 05/07/2020 8:01:39 PM PDT by Bommer (I am a MAGA-Deplorian! It is the way! It is the only way!)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

So another invention the military lets America’s enemies know they should also focus on.


14 posted on 05/07/2020 8:14:50 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: DUMBGRUNT; All
Detonation releases significantly more energy from significantly less fuel mass than combustion,

That does not ring true with me. It might release energy *faster* but it seems unlikely to release *more* energy per kilo of fuel and oxidizer.

15 posted on 05/07/2020 8:47:46 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: blam

“...capable of running until the fuel is turned off
a feat previously thought impossible...”
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Ain’t that what all engines do?


16 posted on 05/07/2020 8:49:04 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (Get out of the matrix and get a real life.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Should have kept it top secret dumbnuts...

Not a comment directed to the OP..


17 posted on 05/07/2020 9:29:41 PM PDT by Daniel Ramsey (Thank YOU President Trump, finally we can do what America does best, to be the best)
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To: marktwain
In a piston engine, properly controlled detonation offers more useful energy than combustion. Similarly, in a rotating detonation rocket engine, more energy is produced from the same amount of fuel in the useful form of gas under controlled high pressure than is produced in a conventional rocket engine that relies on combustion. More broadly, whether generated by detonation or combustion, such high-pressure gas can be directed into a rocket exhaust, a power turbine, or an aircraft turbine engine. With enough development work, one can even imagine rotary detonation engines powering more fuel-efficient locomotives, tanks, and cars.
18 posted on 05/07/2020 9:42:10 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: wastedyears

I think that is referred to as nuclear pulse detonation. Jet fuel pulse detonation is said to have been investigated in a secret US black project aircraft.


19 posted on 05/07/2020 9:48:10 PM PDT by Rockingham
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“In 2012, the Naval Research Laboratory estimated that rotating detonation engines could save the Navy 15-20 percent off a ~US$2-billion annual fuel bill...

With the price of fuel now, they’ll save $382.

Actually, that is an issue when it comes to developing power plants. Here in the Pacific Northwest there have been lots of places where plans have been developed and studies done to develop low environmental impact small water-powered electrical generation.

But they keep getting shelved and they put up a fairly quick and easy natural-gas plant instead as gas is so cheap. And of course they are hoping that gas will stay cheap for the next 8(?) years or whatever.


20 posted on 05/07/2020 9:57:05 PM PDT by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant. Never Fearful!)
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