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We learned that in Minnesota the National Guard, State Police, and the local Police turned and ran and left the citizens to defend for themselves. So I have a couple of questions for our “Protect and Serve” authorities. (Vanity)
https://www.freerepublic.com ^ | 5-30-2020 | Enterprise

Posted on 05/30/2020 9:44:48 AM PDT by Enterprise

1. What determines the point at which you will turn and run and abandon the citizens you have sworn to protect and serve?

2. Can you draft a policy which gives the citizens a clear understanding of when you will turn and run? This is vital to the community because they need as much notice as possible to arm, organize, and deploy to have a chance to overcome the threat.

3. Hypothetically, suppose a crowd of thousands of thugs approaches a community and you turn and run and abandon your citizens. The next day, thousands of bodies of thugs are stacked like cord wood. Since you chose to abandon your positions, are you now obligated not to investigate, and arrest and prosecute the citizens who defended their homes and lives when you wouldn’t?

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To: Vermont Lt

“But that’s what you want to see....white troops shooting down unarmed black folk.”

BS.These are violent thugs destroying buildings and endangering lives.


81 posted on 05/30/2020 1:11:59 PM PDT by Stravinsky
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To: Enterprise

Our system has police and National Guard (military) following political orders. Let’s not complicate things. We are losing our minds over a bad police incident in a full liberal state. I served in the military and could NEVER imagine retreating let alone indiscriminately killing. I could be ordered to retreat. Could my chain of command and culture of the military be so perverted and toxic to act out criminally with psychotic abandon? Was I ever put in a situation where I was UNARMED and/or had asinine rules of engagement? It has happened.


82 posted on 05/30/2020 1:13:13 PM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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To: Enterprise
Hypothetically, suppose a crowd of thousands of thugs approaches a community and you turn and run and abandon your citizens. The next day, thousands of bodies of thugs are stacked like cord wood. Since you chose to abandon your positions, are you now obligated not to investigate, and arrest and prosecute the citizens who defended their homes and lives when you wouldn’t?

They'll then arrest the people who shot the thugs.

Typical liberals. Only go after those who pose no threat to you, kind of like islam and Christians.

83 posted on 05/30/2020 1:16:58 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith.....)
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To: Enterprise

The important thing, they didn’t need much of a stimulus check.


84 posted on 05/30/2020 1:17:08 PM PDT by Varsity Flight (QE 2020. All Quiet on the Western Front)
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To: Kozy

And While we’re at it, lets take back all the General’s stars off the collars of these stupid little police chief’s.
Stolen Valor???


85 posted on 05/30/2020 1:35:46 PM PDT by Jimbo32
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To: Enterprise

Did they run away or did a certain faction within the Guard refuse to stand? I’ve heard both

otoh, I can see withdrawing boots because the rioters wanted a confrontation. So that was removed. OTOH, they should have followed up no boots with air support - like the Forestry supertankers full of fish guts and other nasty sticky stuff that could be dumped on the rioters and put out the fires in one go. They want to let blood? Give it to them in spades. From overhead.


86 posted on 05/30/2020 2:03:17 PM PDT by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017))
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To: Stravinsky

So, you want to shoot unarmed people.

Cool.


87 posted on 05/30/2020 2:27:20 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Vermont Lt

It isn’t enough that you condemn all black people as bad, now you advocate murder.

You filthy psychotic bigot.


88 posted on 05/30/2020 2:32:20 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer”)
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To: rfreedom4u

A Battalion of Marines? A BATTALION??? You must mean for the whole country, from L.A. to Brooklyn, and every Dem/Scum city in between. A battalion...huh!

Send in the Special Ops guys! The riots would end, the Antifa, and BLM, commie agitators’ bodies would be carted off, AND NOBODY WOULD KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.


89 posted on 05/30/2020 2:34:43 PM PDT by TigerHawk (The Raised Middle Finger in the Clenched Fist of the World)
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To: TigerHawk
Send in the Special Ops guys

Yes, infiltrate, identify and quietly nullify.

90 posted on 05/30/2020 2:39:45 PM PDT by redcatcherb412
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To: Sodbuster

The motto “To Protect and Serve” leaves off the critical part - who?

The government, of course.


91 posted on 05/30/2020 2:40:15 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: shanover

Back in the day (late 60’s)I refused to obey an illegal order (in the field), and prevailed. The US Military (at least the rank and file) is one of the most HONORABLE institutions on the face of the Earth.


92 posted on 05/30/2020 2:48:53 PM PDT by TigerHawk (The Raised Middle Finger in the Clenched Fist of the World)
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To: avenir
I would even go so far to say that Recapturing America's Militia Heritage" is vital to our national security and rates its own thread here. If we cannot identify ONE county in the United States to take the lead and build the model, we are finished.

My military mind says Virginia has that county, as they are under duress with their governor and liberal state house.

But someone has to name it, and everyone has to pitch in. BTW, Dr Vieira is from Manassas, VA.

93 posted on 05/30/2020 2:59:35 PM PDT by Salvavida
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To: redcatcherb412

Except for nullification, I’m sure that’s already an ongoing operation...hopefully by just ONE COIN organization, rather than a bunch of alphabet cowboys, sent in by a gaggle of alphabet morons with their hands in their pants who think that they’re the real deal. Saw that up close once, and it is really, really ugly.


94 posted on 05/30/2020 3:03:30 PM PDT by TigerHawk (The Raised Middle Finger in the Clenched Fist of the World)
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To: Stravinsky

Many, if not most, of the actual rioters are WHITE middle/upper class Antifa and BLM, paid professionals. Shooting THEM down, would not be a loss even to their families...Just an opinion, I’m NOT advocating violence, only self defense, defense of civilization and society, law, and order.


95 posted on 05/30/2020 3:17:21 PM PDT by TigerHawk (The Raised Middle Finger in the Clenched Fist of the World)
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To: Enterprise

I suspect they were under orders not to use deadly force and thus badly out manned. Take those in front out with single shot to center mass. Drop a few and the riot will go away. If it does not go away, “Cry Havoc and let slip the dogs of War.” Full auto will stop the riot.


96 posted on 05/30/2020 3:24:29 PM PDT by cpdiii (cane cutter, deckhand, roughneck, geologist, pilot, pharmacist, old man, CONSTITUTION TO DIE FOR)
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To: Vermont Lt

“But that’s what you want to see....white troops shooting down unarmed black folk.”

Racist Pig!!! Black Troops, of which there are many, aren’t allowed to shoot down rioters???

JUST TO MAKE SURE YOU DON’T MISS THIS:

“Many, if not most, of the actual rioters are WHITE middle/upper class Antifa and BLM, paid professionals. Shooting THEM down, would not be a loss even to their families...Just an opinion, I’m NOT advocating violence, only self defense, defense of civilization and society, law, and order.”

You are obviously among the intellectually challenged...
a “Class A” moron found all too often in the wild these days, especially in Vermont. Let me guess, Burlington?


97 posted on 05/30/2020 4:00:12 PM PDT by TigerHawk (The Raised Middle Finger in the Clenched Fist of the World)
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To: cpdiii
"I suspect they were under orders not to use deadly force and thus badly out manned."

I'm not disagreeing with that or the possibility that they were ordered to retreat. What galls me is that we work hard to have homes and families, only to see people entrusted to protect us cut and run, or those above them ordering them to cut and run at the first sign of trouble, leaving us to deal with the howling mob. If they can't, or won't, take their responsibilities seriously then QUIT dammit, and make room for those who WILL do their duty when things get tough.

98 posted on 05/30/2020 4:19:05 PM PDT by Enterprise
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

Good post and question about the Police Unions and this behavior.


99 posted on 05/30/2020 6:37:48 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( If the reason you're wearing a mask is to protect me, stay at home. If you are sick, stay at home)
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To: Enterprise
1. What determines the point at which you will turn and run and abandon the citizens you have sworn to protect and serve?

Law enforcement hasn’t had an obligation to ‘protect’ for a long time.

100 posted on 05/30/2020 6:42:53 PM PDT by voicereason (The RNC is like the "one-night stand" you wish you could forget.)
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