+38,386 NEW CASES
124,281 TOTAL DEAD
CV immunity is happening. But it sounds like there is more than antibodies that provide resistance/immunity. The science is new to me and someone else can feel free to expand on it, but I guess there are T cells and other cells in the body that can fight off a viral infection and no antibodies are developed. This sounds like it complicates herd immunity because a population can become immune by more than just antibodies. In other words you don’t need a vaccine and you don’t need a previous infection to not catch this - perhaps just a strong immune system is all that is needed?
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At what point will the panic stop? Record new cases of CV but low death numbers. This has a very low mortality rate now. But people panic at the number of cases. Don’t they realize that if the cases are super high but the deaths are low that we are in the midst of something that is not particularly dangerous?
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Do the antibodies wear off?
BTTT
I must be a tad strange, but I enjoy visiting this thread everyday. impimp’s initial dead-pan posting, followed by Kozak’s reliable fear-filled response is, in some odd sort of way, comforting. It’s akin to visiting old friends.
math is hard
Arizona cases versus deaths from a couple of days ago:
If cases were not exploding, our death rate would be near zero by now. The death rate is declining, but slowly, because enough new cases WILL increase deaths.
But that is unavoidable! Most new cases in Arizona involve people under 45. They DO die, sometimes, but rarely. I understand flattening the curve to keep peaks from overloading hospitals, but I don't understand folks PRETENDING we can prevent deaths without first HAVING a lot of infections.
Could the virus kill a million people over the next couple of years? Maybe. Can we prevent it? Not without a vaccine. Which we may never get. And BTW, the US population increases by 2 million a year. At the risk of sounding harsh, a million dead this year means our population growth in 2020 would still be an additional 1 million people.
In the absence of any likely means of stopping the virus in the next couple of years, all we can do is get enough younger people to catch it and recover so that the virus finds it harder to spread. Which I believe is already happening.
The virus seems to NEED people in pretty close contact for sustained periods of time INDOORS. Nursing homes. Bars. Prisons. Sports arenas. Subways. It really isn't that easy to catch. A friend was recently found to be positive from months ago. Her husband never caught it and he is in his 70s. It isn't THAT easy to catch!
The question isn't if a significant number of us will die. That has already occurred, and more will die. We can spread those deaths out over a longer period of time but we ALSO NEED the economy running to provide the $$$ and resources to fight the virus at all.
For some people in some situations, masks might make sense. They are a waste of time where and how I live. Social distancing? I've done it for 50+ years! What I bitterly resent is the constant drumbeat of fear pushed by the media. Oddly enough, I know of only 2 people over 60 who are seriously concerned. Most of my friends are over 60 and we're just not inclined to run in circles screaming because the media tells us to. We know we are all going to die sometime. Many of us have faced death already.
The virus IS a reason for concern and some people - and some activities - need to change. But we don't need government weenies and their media allies trying to panic everyone.
Last statistic I heard was that 80% of the population has a natural immunity to the Wuhan.
I figure I am in that category but just to be safe I am taking a prophylactic placebo.
I saw an article yesterday (I think it was then) that was about double counting the positives. Anyone have it handy? I think it was from Daily Mail or something.
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