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The Marine Corps plans on fielding suppressors to infantry squads starting this year
https://taskandpurpose.com/military-tech/marine-corps-supressors-fielding ^

Posted on 07/12/2020 6:33:03 AM PDT by AggregateThreat

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To: glorgau

So not only does this move protect enemy ears but lowers enemy penetration. The Marines getting adverse to harming enemies must be part of some as yet unrevealed social experiment. The Kumbaya Experiment?


21 posted on 07/12/2020 7:19:43 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: CodeToad

The muzzle blast of an M4 is about 160dB. A very good suppressor will reduce it to about 130dB (about the same as a jackhammer at very close range.


22 posted on 07/12/2020 7:23:30 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Where do you find the word "except" in the 2nd Amendment?)
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To: nonsporting

Also make it harder to locate those firing.


23 posted on 07/12/2020 7:24:07 AM PDT by Lockbox
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To: 2banana

Ok. 106 db is loud, about as loud as a hearty shout.
130 db is deafening, espc when there are many weapons firing.

The benefit of suppressed combat arms is command and control. Not keeping quite ref so the enemy can’t hear you.

Also, suppressed weapons actually increase muzzle velocity a bit, not reduce it as a poster stated.

Adding 12 oz. Worth of weight in exchange for better combat communication is invaluable to those who know.

Imagine, either sacrifice hearing both short and long term because we all won’t stop to put ear pro in just before going loud, or using a tool that enables us to both hear and shoot....

Yes, the sonic wave of a high vel bullet is loud, but that’s going downrange where it helps keep heads down and threats ducking aren’t returnubg accurate fires.

Win.


24 posted on 07/12/2020 7:28:31 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: CodeToad; 2banana
At ease, boys: the suppressor adds a pound or two, reduces the muzzle signature enough to allow battlefield commands to be heard while making it far easier to differentiate the enemy from friendlies. The suppressor also reduces the dust at the muzzle and muzzle flash which would give the enemy more cues to detect our firing positions. (Some of the primary methods of locating enemy firing positions are dust, muzzle flash, or movement)

The supersonic crack is off angle from the direction of fire and while it will let the enemy know that they are being fired upon, it will confuse them about where the fire is coming from.

The only problem I had firing the M-16-based weapons with suppressors was with the direct impingement gas system funneling noxious gases back in my face while firing. Hopefully, they've solved that issue.

25 posted on 07/12/2020 7:29:13 AM PDT by Chainmail (Remember that half the people you meet are below average intelligence)
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To: Chainmail

Chairman, isn’t the mid-and dis- information on the internet amazing?

Seems all these posters read something and it’s taken as gospel.

Scary thing is they are on our side....


26 posted on 07/12/2020 7:32:29 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: Chainmail

Chainmail, not chairman, silly auto correct.


27 posted on 07/12/2020 7:33:24 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: Fido969

Is it less effective on the first round?


28 posted on 07/12/2020 7:34:42 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (The Democrat party. A collaboration of Cloward-Piven and Dunning-Kruger.)
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To: AggregateThreat
And, any un-suppressed fire is almost always 100% enemy fire.

Tactically, it seems like a really good idea.

Might help the immediate clarity of verbal and audio communications, too.

29 posted on 07/12/2020 7:36:59 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: CodeToad
“A suppressor is also weight. Grunts already have heavy weights. Suppressors also need maintenance and get real dirty real fast. . . Suppressors are good but their use really needs to be weighed against their negatives.”

This. Add a white light to the rifle. Add an infrared illuminator. Add a laser. Add a forward grip. Add a suppressor. Soon you have the equivalent of two five-pound bags of sugar in your hand.

30 posted on 07/12/2020 7:44:44 AM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Not incorrectly. The inventor patented it as a “silencer’.


31 posted on 07/12/2020 7:49:05 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Silencers are a misnomer for sure. Suppressor is not even accurate. In fact, it’s hard to tell if the report is being suppressed at all. How silencers are portrayed in movies is totally fake.


32 posted on 07/12/2020 7:54:27 AM PDT by attiladhun2
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To: headstamp 2

“Yes, you’ll still have the sonic boom”

.... more like a crack then a boom.


33 posted on 07/12/2020 8:01:23 AM PDT by semaj (Death to Traitors!)
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To: AggregateThreat

Are silencers — suppressers — legal for private citizens who are otherwise lawful gunowners?


34 posted on 07/12/2020 8:02:31 AM PDT by Blurb2350
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To: Blurb2350

Yes, but you have to jump through a lot of BATF hoops and wait a long time for approval. The sites that sell them online describe the process in detail.


35 posted on 07/12/2020 8:31:16 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: ctdonath2

What’s a “Silencer”, never saw one of those except in a movie.


36 posted on 07/12/2020 8:34:10 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: AggregateThreat
It's an idea whose time has come (actually it's been here for a while, as the Special Forces and SWAT team kits attest). I took a low light/ no light course at an indoor range one time and a couple members of the class were using privately-owned suppressors. Huge difference. They ought to be mandatory for environments like that.

The only real downside is that they add length to the barrel, quite a bit of it, actually. The corresponding gain you do get in muzzle velocity (if any) tends to be offset by the fact that the chambers are trapping acceleration gases in order to work. Give and take - it's a design function, and it's the reason that the more effective suppressors tend to be larger. The real loss in muzzle velocity comes when you use subsonic ammunition in an attempt for maximum noise suppression. But in a tactical environment you're after quiet, not silence which you're not actually going to attain anyway. They can be a bugger to clean, too. Been there, done that. Just my $0.02.

37 posted on 07/12/2020 8:35:44 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: AggregateThreat

True, plus a suppressed 556 is much harder to detect from its position. All no big deal- they are on the road to defeat anyway, they announced they are getting rid of all their tanks, armor, quite a few aircraft . Light infantry?

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/03/23/marines-shut-down-all-tank-units-cut-infantry-battalions-major-overhaul.html


38 posted on 07/12/2020 8:47:33 AM PDT by delta7
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To: captain_dave

They are ditching all their tank battalions and artillery. The “ New” Marine Corps.....


39 posted on 07/12/2020 8:48:48 AM PDT by delta7
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To: AggregateThreat

Limited application?


40 posted on 07/12/2020 8:58:32 AM PDT by Leep (We can go to the grocery store but we can't go to work?)
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