Posted on 07/16/2020 11:44:22 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski
BOSTON — The furor on Capitol Hill over Planned Parenthood has stoked a debate about the use of tissue from aborted fetuses in medical research, but U.S. scientists have been using such cells for decades to develop vaccines and seek treatments for a host of ailments, from vision loss and neurological disorders to cancer and AIDS.
Anti-abortion activists set off the uproar by releasing undercover videos of Planned Parenthood officials that raised questions of whether the organization was profiting from the sale of fetal tissue. Planned Parenthood has denied making any profit and said it charges fees solely to cover its costs.
University laboratories that buy such cells strongly defend their research, saying tissue that would otherwise be thrown out has played a vital role in lifesaving medical advances and holds great potential for further breakthroughs.
Fetal cells are considered ideal because they divide rapidly, adapt to new environments easily and are less susceptible to rejection than adult cells when transplanted.
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Do you support the current and continuous use of dead babies in vaccine development?
Do you support Planned Parenthood baby part sales?
Does a baby have to die for you to live in your New World Order religion?
Not a vaccine proponent and definitely do NOT advocate killing babies for any reason, including this one.
Moloch worship is alive and well in modern times.
We had vaccines before fetal tissue, what changed besides a commie mindset?
Two things:
1) It’s implied here that there’s continual harvesting of fetal tissue to develop vaccines. That is not the case. There are a few major lines of stem cells that are used. HEK-293, a kidney cell line widely used in research and industry that comes from a fetus aborted in 1972, WI-38, which was from lung tissue from two fetuses aborted in 1962, and PER.C6, a proprietary cell line owned by a subsidiary of Johnson & Johnson, developed from retinal cells from an 18-week-old fetus aborted in 1985.
I completely understand having objections to using them, and I agree with those objections on moral grounds. But let’s be clear what we’re actually talking about here. Nobody is killing babies in 2020 to make vaccines. Further, those abortions were NOT related to vaccines or medical research. They were abortions that happened, and then some stem cells were taken after the fact because of special properties that make them especially easy to utilize for specific things.
2) Most vaccines are now available without any development or association with stem cells from abortions. Only Hepatitis A and the rubella vaccines have no ethical alternatives licensed by the FDA. There’s a company in Japan that makes ethical alternatives (using animal cells), but it isn’t licensed here, so you would have to travel to Japan to get them.
Let’s be open and honest about the issue. There’s absolutely moral and ethical concerns and it’s important to address those. But it’s important to be completely honest as well.
As I understand it the Moderna vaccine does not use fetal tissue. vaccines and the use of fetal tissue are 2 different things. Vaccines are not evil and have spared many children deadly as debilitating disease
The last “fetal tissue is the answer song and dance” was it was the breakthrough for treating everything from MS, Parkinson’s, ALS, AIDS to dandruff, hair loss and bad breath.
None of it was true.
Now they want to tell us fetal tissue vaccine it is the answer, a magic bullet, for to a dreaded pandemic that has a 99.96% recovery rate and requires testing to see if you have it.
Theres a couple of cell lines generated from aborted tissue years and years ago they’re testing the virus on. Still kind of creepy but not like they’re dumping dead babies in a vat at this minute.
IF WE ARE TO SAVE PEOPLE WE MUST KILL CHILDREN
Right. Even if true, what is the point of “saving people” if we kill our own to do so. The “logic” of total depravity.
What has changed between then and now is that humans are no longer the image bearers of God, therefore inviolable for use in vaccines or for the myriad social science experiments Russians, Americans, and people around the world have been subjected to by godless Globalists since the overthrow of Russia by Marxists (stooges of Globalists).
Not true. Did you read the article?
Thanks for this.
It's the same dilemma as if a useful drug was developed based on cadaver cells and it was later discovered that the cadaver was a murder victim.
Would that mean the drug shouldn't be utilized?
Full term child born. Donate placental materiial
I have no trouble about vaccines for some illnesses, but do have a problem when ANY of them use *fetal remains*, IOW, aborted baby carcasses.
Welcome to FR.
IBTZ.
oh, you again, you apologist commie? There is NO EXCUSE for ever using fetal tissue. Ever. You need to move along to a lefty board where you belong.
The cell lines used for vaccine development are decades old. There is nothing in the article you posted that says otherwise. Instead, they talked about the ongoing use of fetal stem cells for the development of treatments for things like spinal cord injuries and blindness. That’s the kind of research that would be drastically slowed without access to additional fetal stem cells.
Those cells will divide vastly more times than those found in an adult, but they aren’t unlimited and it takes time to grow more. I don’t like that the research for things like cancer and blindness uses them. I have moral objections to that. But the vaccines that do rely on fetal stem cells all rely on old cell lines that have been around for decades.
And again, every vaccine except rubella and Hep A has an ethical alternative licensed and available in the United States. Further, the “generation 3” vaccines shouldn’t need to grow anything anymore since all they do is provide the body with the instructions for key antigen production, so they shouldn’t require any fetal tissue moving forward. That’s great news for everyone with a moral objection to fetal stem cell research.
he’s a lefty infiltrator
And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.~Psalm 106:38
For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be~Psalm 139:13-16
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