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To: chimera; LucyT; generally; Cats Pajamas
If NASA used the Apollo Personal Life Support System space suit combination (PLSS) for Apollo 11-17 on the lunar surface, it necessarily means NASA would have throughly tested such suits in an Earth-based vacuum chamber. There is no publicly known video an Apollo PLSS in a vacuum chamber test. NASA has nonetheless produced at least one post-1972 staged, falsified vacuum chamber space suit video and another video of a nearly deadly space suit vacuum chamber incident in 1966. It would always have been the most minor of inconveniences for NASA to have allowed or would yet allow independent witnesses to view a successful sublimator-equipped PLSS in a vacuum chamber test--even to the present day. A video could go far toward establishing proof of existence of such technology and its feasibility, but NASA has even through today not allowed any witnesses for a such a PLSS-based test, nor public examination of the claimed PLSS-based sublimator implementation for the vacuum of space. (Hint: It dosn't exist and NASA lied.)

NASA works hard--freely sharing much data--to assure its adherents are able to continue believing their Apollo missions were real. A basic tenet among scientists is that they share their results, yet NASA has refused for years to participate in this aspect of crucially important, scientific endeavor. NASA implicitly asks its adherents to continue believing out of faith, not science. If one is satisfied as a claimed person of science to believe in the full reality of Apollo out of faith rather than from published and publicly-reviewed, proper scientific methodology, one should cease to count oneself as a person of science. That's not science, but corruption. Nonetheless, such is the best NASA offers regarding Apollo.

I've provided links to evidence of people and facts that support my contentions. Chimera's tack has been to suggest "[he's] neither inclined nor [has] the time" [to chase "whack-a-links.]" A person's disparagement can hardly be reasonably accepted for things about which the person refuses to be bothered to properly consider. Chimera is a person that chooses to believe empty, unsupported assertions about PLSS moon surface cooling in the context of NASA's unwillingness to share independently-witnessed test data that could confirmed it. Those data seem not to exist, not even in contemporaneous (post-1970) documentation! Americans should be able to know what happened to the tens of billions of dollars that went into its space program, not be told that we must simply believe fanciful unicorn tales of untested, non-existent technology. All evidence points to an after-the-fact-constructed, yet non-existent and certainly untested PLSS-based space-vacuum sublimator technology that was defensively called upon to shore up what would otherwise have exposed that the Apollo lunar missions as a series of hoaxes.

Two additional Apollo craft were built for use after Apollo 17 flew. That is, those could have become Apollo 18 and 19, but further missions were canceled. Instead of the craft being made available for public inspection, they were curiously chosen to be completely dismantled, though one engine was left intact and put on display in a museum. Requests for open public inspection of the craft at the Smithsonian have also been denied. Such behavior is suspicious five decades after the Apollo missions flew.

I supported many aspects of the fakery of Apollo, but chimera's go-to aphorisms are to 1) claim for himself superior depth of knowledge or, 2) to disparage my so-called ignorant, "long-debunked hoaxer theories". As should be clear, the supposed particle physical realities of which chimera speaks are also mere theories, not fact. Yet, those chimera gussied up to call them "established physical theory." How curious. Particle theory is not proven. OK, "established" doesn't quite claim "proven," but most will see the spin being employed. What chimera's "established physical theory" calls particles were by Tesla, the genius of Field Theory--along with CP Steinmetz, JC Maxwell, and Heaviside--considered merely field modalities, conceptualizatons of rarefaction and compression (R&C).

More people would know to judge things more accurately if 47 trunks of Tesla's works and papers hadn't been stolen by the very same group that has since their inception controled the CIA and NASA (what a coincidence!). Many of those papers, lab constructions and other materials have never seen the public light of day. Perhaps because people working without Tesla's (stolen) works are limited, compared to our century's scientific thieves that have benefited from Tesla and other advanced patented ideas, what are merely R&C look to be particles when they're not. (We may be sure that much exists in Area 51 and S4 that goes well beyond the ken of those not in the know.) Simplex field pressure mediation behavior is Occam's Razor at work, not a misleading treasure trove of bumping particles that the DS enjoys using to distract us, so as to continue to dispatch us and our progeny as cannon fodder (to wit, WWI, WWII, 9/11, Paradise fires, etc.). Accurate cosmic mechanics is clearly something the Deep State (DS) reserves until itself and wishes not to be studied openly in university physics classes. The Standard Model of particle physics can't even define what a field is (despite there being four Maxwellian so-called field equations for its/their theoretical working--they still don't include the definition of a field)! So much for its extensive understanding of Field Theory, about which Tesla was thought by his peers to be well ahead of all his contemporaries. When the DS's AE was asked how it felt to be the smartest man alive, he replied, "I don't know. You'll have to ask Nikola Tesla!"

Despite AE's gloriously appearing equations (made so by Steinmetz on behalf of AE), it should be clear to everyone reading this that AE was an unmitigated fraud whose "rock star status" was a sham made possible by his benefactors (read: DS, Zionist Rothschilds). His adherents, however completely they have taken over academic physics, have followed a manipulated (think MK-ULTRA and Operation Mockingbird media) and perfumed Pied Piper DS operative and his cliquey cult of bumping particles theories. AE was actualy as cartoonish as a 1910 manifestation of "Bill Nye the Science Guy."

The two factions of Physics have at their respective heads 1) AE (the demonstrated (post #31) fraud), and 2) Nikola Tesla, who was able to perform integral calculus in his head, which prompted some of his teachers to believe that he was cheating on tests. AE most admired those whose works he plagiarized as his own. Tesla most admired the Serbian Jesuit priest, Ruder Boškovic, whose unique 1763 masterpiece, Theory of Natural Philosophy was written half in Latin and half in English, side-by-side, and still stands as a respected work in physics.

Like a technophobic curmudgeon, chimera slams argumentation for which I have provided supporting links. He says [he's] refused even to look and consider them out of his supposedly "not having the time or inclination." That style reeks of presumed, academic superiority. Fine. If one can't be bothered, one should keep quiet rather than assert NASA's lies as if one is somehow the bright guy that can see through to the end of all things, declaring arguments from the other side as already "debunked ad infinitum." This is all the more true for answers only momentarily researched, simply to find NASA's pre-packaged, pat answers.

On any spectrum of knowledge about most any topic, any two different people will essentially always be at different points along such a spectrum. There is no necessary correlation that any statement from either person is true or false dependent on the (claimed) relative depth of knowledge of the two people. Thus, chimera's implicit claim that he is right because he may have greater depth of knowledge about a given scientific area simply is not logically true. To claim it, nonetheless, as he does, shows an inferior thought process.

Boasting of relative credentials is typical in academic circles. Sheepskin count, prestigious university rankings, titles, compensation and pecking order. So, what?! Here we should be about evidence, facts and reasoning, not presuming the automatic correctness of one's answers based on claimed, personal superiority.

Chimera has introduced errant claims. One, about my supposed "go[ing] after the validity of simple thermodynamics." I did not. I merely see no evidence that that feasible sublimation technology was included in the contemporaneous Apollo PLSS manual that described how those were equipped and claimed to have functioned. Thus, again, chimera used faulty logic and misrepresentations in a blatant attempt to disparage my reputation using mischaracterizations of what I wrote. Chimera chose to associate me with "whack-a-link Gish Gallup", implying mine are logical flawed arguments without bothering to state evidence for that. It's arrogant and shows solid disdain, as many would see it.

In one of those so-called "whack-a-links," the US's most preeminent rocket scientist, Dr. Von Braun, made clear via a 60s video that a trip to the moon would necessarily require refueling after an initial lift to Low Earth Orbit. Since the Apollo missions all used Saturn V booster rockets that were fully known to Von Braun at the time and no Apollo craft "bothered" to avail themselves of a refueling, a properly respectful response from you would be highly appropriate. To keep you from having to feel you're playing "whack-a-link," I've got just one video medley of the expensive farce that was Apollo.

For another aspect of the Apollo fraud, it's appropriate to point out the basic fact that the moon's atmosphere is extremely thin--comparable to Earth's at 190k feet--and manifests essentially no moisture whatsoever during the daytime because any that remains overnight nearly immediately evaporates in the up to 250F daytime heat. Therefore, no space suit boot, Rover or MET imprints would be able to hold their shape on the moon. Moisture is required to hold regolith into such a discernable forms immedately after man or machine would remove its downward pressure. This desert picture:

.. is roughly how such tracks should appear, depending on how deep the loose regolith might go. There was a TV documentary/magazine segment done in pop fashion at NASA in Johnson Space Center (JSC) SE of Houston (IIRC), where NASA showed a recreation of Armstrong's "one giant leap for mankind" in a small vacuum chamber where they said conditions were made as nearly identical to the lunar surface as possible. The boot imprint was left clearly. There was just this one phrase used that went by in the blink of an eye, "simulated regolith." As if to debunk naysayers for all time, NASA JSC couldn't even find a pound of actual regolith from the moon to borrow on which to do its demonstrated footprint? No, because the whole thing would have debunked the official narrative and exposed the entire Apollo program's fraud.

High noon on the moon! As noted, the sun's daytime illumination would have brought everything unshaded to 250F. Cooling systems and batteries would have been taxed mightily to keep the astronauts and their equipment from cooking, even inside the LEM, in addition to their lesser-capable, separate and untethered PLSSs. Eastman Kodak was contacted in the 1970s regarding the film emulsions the astronauts' cameras used. Eastman Kodaks' answer was that the film ostensibly used would have melted at 150F. It would have curled and been crispy not too much higher than that. None of the film that wasn't kept under temperature control would have survived, either to be exposed or viewable when brought back to Earth. We know the Hasselblad cameras which were to have been mounted on the astronauts' chests were not designed to have any protection against high temperature. Curiously, no difficulties with the film melting on the lunar surface or later was reported. To borrow a turn of phrase from Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, "the dog didn't bark."

I've been an instructor pilot for thirty-some years, thus know the lay of "that land." (My work has for years been on display at the Air & Space Museum in DC, so I can rightly say I'm not the "ignorant" slouch for which chimera seems to take me, though my exhibit did eventually give way to newer display matter.) We may be assured that if Armstrong and/or Aldrin were to have crashed the DSP landing rig the last time out before a real mission to the lunar surface, that the multi-billion dollar mission would have been canceled or rescheduled until such time that the pilots had flown the lander successfully and without incident a large number of times, until such successful control of the craft was completely ingrained. To do otherwise would have been to risk bloody disaster and death on international live television. Thoughtful people need to realize how true that is. Nixon, who was so trying to impress the Soviets, never would not have risked that potential outcome.

Chimera's attempt to extricate NASA from totally undisturbed simulated regolith below Apollo 11's engine nozzle on a sound stage that somehow made it into a magazine of official lunar surface photos is no counter-evidence at all, but merely words. Even 12.2% thrust (1235.25lbs) from a 10,125lb engine should do just as I said earlier, working as we know such engines do, despite it possibly wouldn't be so visually apparent, due to the near complete lack of atmosphere. Visual differences do not make for an entirely new working. We can all look again to see that not so much as a 10-gram pebble has been moved away from the engine nozzle's center! (Look at chimera as he protesteth to much about a 1.25% rounding in a discussion!) Neither chimera nor anyone else has debunked the lack of nozzle regolith displacement. We're looking at an impossiblilty that proves the hoax. And of course, it's not just one isolated feature that's out of place with that (ICYMI, see the video montage (same as 4 paragraphs above).) There are many such features from a cadre of known thieves and liars, and frankly, murderers (think, only for example, of Milton William "Bill" Cooper).

Our DS "betters" that do in fact largely control the goings-on on Earth are understood to be 100, maybe 200 years ahead of AE's followers' imagined view of the physical world. (Think Area 51, S4, lots of laundered money through black ops, overly-expensive NASA facade projects, Space Force, UFO disclosure, and the Antarctic Breakaway Society.) These DS thieves and liars that control so many aspects of our government (and similarly, other international governments) freely steal advanced technology as such passed through patent offices around the world. That's why SERCO was put in charge of even the US Patent and Trade Office. A foreign government's technical office is in charge of US patents! Imagine that! Who let that happen in the context of the FBI's three-year investigation of unpredicated, presumed-and-falsified Trump-Russian collusion? Does anyone care than the British Crown asset reviews and controls the processing of all US Patents? Of course not, if the DS doesn't mind! What stories there are to tell there! With actual technology stolen from our best and brightest, they're happy to keep people like us in the dark while they zoom off with all manner of advanced technolgy, laughing at their stooge, AE and how he and his priets have crippled science that a US president felt he had to fake going to the moon to keep the Soviets/Rooskies spending money foolishly so they would spend themselves into total bankruptcy. It was such a good ploy in its working, even though RMN was not long later mercilously slimed as the most corrupt president. RMN was actually quite knowledgeble, smart, and clever and probably saved many hundreds of thousands--perhaps millions--of lives in a hot war with the Soviets, but don't expect the DS to let us see the world as it really is.

36 posted on 08/16/2020 6:58:41 PM PDT by rx (Truth will out!)
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To: rx
Time to put away the firehose. Spewing volumes of bilge simply increases the smell. Of all the hoaxer crazies I have encountered on the net, you are the worst offender for using the firehose of falsehood. But, do what you have to do. Just remember to lock the door to the loony bin when you go back in.
37 posted on 08/16/2020 7:36:38 PM PDT by chimera
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To: rx

Outstanding post!

Thank you for all of this info. This gives me many new avenues to investigate.

Important point: If even ONE aspect of the moon exploration narrative is false, it means that the moon landing could not have happened at all or at least not as we have been led to believe. Yet what I have seen here and in additional digging, is that there are MULTIPLE fallacies in the narrative.

Did we go to the moon? I don’t know. But if we did, it didn’t happen the way we’ve been told. There are too many holes in the story. JMO YMMV

At any rate, props to rx who has been willing to put this information out there. I’m happy to see debate on its merits. I’d be happy to see any scientific debunking. So if anyone has scientific, not name-calling, arguments against any of these points, I’d be delighted to read them.


38 posted on 08/17/2020 10:27:32 AM PDT by generally ( Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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