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Beirut blast: How does ammonium nitrate create such devastating explosions?
Live Science ^ | 05 August 2020

Posted on 08/05/2020 4:19:11 PM PDT by BenLurkin

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To: BenLurkin

If it was fireworks wouldn’t we have seen some flying through the air. I’m thinking something bigger. Pretty loud pops your can hear and see.


41 posted on 08/05/2020 11:10:58 PM PDT by McGruff (Polls are for dancing)
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To: crz

In combat engineering and mining, AN mixtures are used as festering charges to damage/ destroy roads rails bridge abutment etc and other tasks requiring a lower speed heaving effect.

Quarrying relies in modernized versions.

It is very safe until an initiation system is added.

As a cbt engr, I jumped with charges or caps never both.

Always a very moving right when a pattern of 40 lb charges are detonated on a roadway to deny enemy use, first, shaped charges blow holes, then one, two or three 40 lb charges are placed in rows to heave the material towards the enemy’s approach, and fired. Watching some 100 cu yds of pavement, base and earth move like a cup of flour being heaped is cool. Biggest I planned and shot was some 1200 lbs in one target.

SIL is a master blaster for a large quarry operation in SA TX. He routinely shoot 2 t of mix in 100 holes and busts 100t of rock. All with no above ground effects. They get in trouble when it goes aerial.


42 posted on 08/06/2020 4:04:25 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: dila813

Heat a decent amount to 200c and keep heating it till it hits 570c, but be at a safe distance....it will explode.


43 posted on 08/06/2020 4:07:33 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: BenLurkin

Look at that. Real science that can’t be politically manipulated.


44 posted on 08/06/2020 4:15:43 AM PDT by deadrock (<img src="WIDTH420WIDTH420.jpeg" width="420">)
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To: crz
The plant was no bigger than a common sized machine shed.

I don't have first hand experience in actually seeing them mix it like you do but from the satellite photos, it looks like that little ol machine shed was about 700 feet long and about 250 feet wide. I wish I had a machine shed that size.

45 posted on 08/06/2020 4:36:30 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: BenLurkin

Well, it was all of Hezbollah’s C-4 stored next door that really amplified the effect. :)


46 posted on 08/06/2020 4:43:21 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: Colorado Doug

I wasnt talking about that one in Beirut.

I was talking about the one in Michigan where they did the weird science. BTW, they were NOT ALLOWED to store any of the stuff there at that plant. They had to bring it in from someplace to that place and do their thing, and then after it was mixed, it had to be taken to the blasting site ASAP and used. So they had to plan ahead-which must have been a real SOB to do sometimes. Some of the more nasty stuff they had to mix on site. So they never had many “tons” stored at that facility for long. Matter of fact, he said it was never more than a U-haul sized truck, or two, at a time and if it had to sit for a day, it was stored scattered and not in one pile.

My buddies said it made a person get the willys.


47 posted on 08/06/2020 4:49:25 PM PDT by crz
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So the trick is even heating so it self combusts?

So lighting on fire doesn’t work but this does?


48 posted on 08/06/2020 5:44:36 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813

Not sure, but it’s dangerous at high temperature. Very stable at ambient temps.

I think in cases where AN explodes in bulk due to fire, some of the mass is decomposed and becomes dangerous, and when it reaches critical temp, it detonated and the whole lot of it goes.


49 posted on 08/07/2020 5:38:42 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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Interesting that the mines are storing it in big silos that have to get really hot, they claimed unless it was mixed it is completely inert


50 posted on 08/07/2020 12:56:08 PM PDT by dila813
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To: Jane Long

lots of interesting videos follow that one.


51 posted on 08/07/2020 1:21:14 PM PDT by Loud Mime ("Now, go and do your duty before darkness covers the earth." Michael Uhlmann (1939 - 2019))
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To: dila813

Don’t know how hot silos get. 280c is pretty darn warm though. 577c is its critical temp. That’s really hot, almost melt lead hot.


52 posted on 08/07/2020 3:06:35 PM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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Well, doesn’t make sense still then. I don’t see it getting that hot unless it was on purpose


53 posted on 08/07/2020 4:22:01 PM PDT by dila813
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To: crz

My bad. I thought that we were both talking about Beirut.


54 posted on 08/07/2020 5:08:23 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: Colorado Doug

No problem.

I got to go read what they are saying today. They now are claiming it was a bomb that set it off...a foreign bomb.

Ya it was a bomb alright, it just wasnt foreign. That place was the site of the terrorist cells bomb making facilities. Couldnt been a better place hey?


55 posted on 08/07/2020 7:50:46 PM PDT by crz
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To: dila813

AN is stable up to a point, like most chemical.

Check this article out.

https://m.dw.com/en/ammonium-nitrate/a-54452221

Basically, as I have stated, heat isn’t it’s friend. Too much AN too much heat= boom.


56 posted on 08/08/2020 9:46:21 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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