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To: imardmd1

I’ve heard it said that man didn’t make the image; it was a miracle of God —therefore, there is no violation of the 2nd Commandment -and the person saying it was a Jewish doctor who has seriously studied the shroud.


38 posted on 08/07/2020 10:59:24 PM PDT by duckbutt (Those who pay no taxes have no check on their appetite for services.)
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To: duckbutt
Some people are not totally convinced by the Word of God that the Jesus of the Bible was/is God Himself come in the flesh.

The stress placed on the shroud of Turin by its possessors seems to indicate that the Word Itself is not enough to produce or sustain a saving faith, but that these other artifacts are necessary.

As a matter of fact, nowhere in the Holy Scriptures does it indicate that any other temporal entity other than His Own Person Incarnated bears His perfect image.

Nowhere in the Word is it indicated that any image was transferred to the face cloth, or onto the burial wrappings used to contain a hundred pounds or so of embalming materials. Please note that there was no one-piece body-covering "shroud" mentioned at all anywhere. It did not exist. Whatever it is now, it is not a part of the record of His earthly history.

Nowhere in the Spirit-inspired writings of the disciples can any indication that they placed any value on these fabrics, or that they were considered holy, or that they were to be saved to remember and believe in Him, particularly after He appeared for forty days after His resurrection, walked with them, and "shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God: . . ."

Furthermore, he was seen by more than five hundred people all at once.

But He told the doubting disciple Thomas, who refused to believe that He was alive unless he saw the Savior's wounds, "Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."

Actually, now, for the "shroud" to be accepted as Jesus' burial garment, one necessarily hast to believe that the image on it was that of Jesus, and that it got there by some unknown miraculous process. That is developing a faith in an insubstantial item that cannot be proved to have even existed in Jesus' time. Actually, there is nothing Biblical to support that faith, which makes it a superstition.

You want me to believe that The God made that facial image to remain, even after Jesus' appearance was changed so much that neither His close disciples nor His relative Cleopas immediately recognized Him. So, if this shroud image were of Him (and I'm not saying it was), which Jesus was it, before his death, or after His death, and does it even matter? It didn't seem so to those who knew him. They were more interested in what He said and what He disd and how He did it, that proved He was the same Jesus that they knew, believed, and loved. If you can't believe what they said about Him in the Holy Scriptures, but need some unprovable false broken crutch for your "belief," then it is very doubtful that you will ever see Him the way He is, except your last moments at the Great White Throne.

Does the Bible proclaim that "faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God PLUS by seeing, and seeing by the shroud of Turin"?

I don't believe so.

The whole proposition you offer is unbiblical, irrational, and just plain silly. There's not much point in exploring a hundred more loose ends to your story, is there?

39 posted on 08/08/2020 2:59:10 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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