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Ancient Native Americans were among the world’s first coppersmiths (Wisconsin)
Sciencemag.org ^ | March 19, 2021 | David Malakof

Posted on 03/21/2021 8:16:36 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

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To: Diana in Wisconsin
The dates confirm “that hunter-gatherers [were] highly innovative,” she says, and willing to “regularly experiment with novel materials.”

Hunter-gatherers were also part-time farmers much earlier than archeologists used to beleive. They also traded more widely than archeologists used to beleive.

The best known agricultural tribe in what is now North Dakota is the Mandan, a Siouxian cousin tribe, that begin to arrive and grow corn, beans and squash around 1350 a.d. in the Knife River Valley.

But they weren't the first, just the largest and the most famous. Copper culture artifacts once thought unique to the Great Lakes Region and related to corn growing have been found elsewhere in North Dakota at least two centuries before the Mandan begin to arrive from the Ohio Valley.

21 posted on 03/21/2021 10:48:58 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: chajin

There is no evidence that of any people not related to present groups. Clovis, Kennewick etc. are related to modern Native Americans.


22 posted on 03/21/2021 3:30:27 PM PDT by Varda
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To: Whenifhow; null and void; aragorn; EnigmaticAnomaly; kalee; Kale; AZ .44 MAG; Baynative; bgill; ...

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23 posted on 03/21/2021 3:32:39 PM PDT by bitt (America is the Home of the Brave, not the regime of the silenced.)
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To: SunkenCiv; blam

The prehistory of the Copper Country, long haunted by tales of a bygone race has yet to be told. Few Americans are even aware of the extensive mining activity that took place on Isle Royale in Lake Superior or along the Trap Range of the Upper Peninsula where approximately 500,000 tons of pure copper were mined out sometime between 1800 and 1200 B.C.

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Curiously, the tablet and figurines were apparently destroyed.

24 posted on 03/21/2021 4:14:31 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Paal Gulli
"There are NO “native” Americans. Some immigrants just got here before others."

I suppose you could say the same thing about anywhere on Earth.

25 posted on 03/21/2021 4:42:59 PM PDT by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Pounding a metal is no more metallurgy than carving a stick is carpentry. It’s about melting and mixing elements and reshaping them into a new form and kind.


26 posted on 03/21/2021 4:54:19 PM PDT by nicollo (I said no!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

There are a couple of interesting Great Lakes copper culture videos that have recently been uploaded to youtube. One focuses on the thousand+ prehistoric copper mines on Isle Royale and the other on carbon dating that takes the culture back 9,000+ years.

The Lake Superior Copper Mystery | Isle Royale |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWWqQ6eSvfo&t=2s&ab_channel=cf-apps7865

New Study ~ 9,500 Years Ago Great Lakes Copper Culture Started (Discussion of the Science Mag article linked in the thread headline)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iChHiLwqzU&ab_channel=cf-apps7865


27 posted on 03/21/2021 4:55:15 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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I remember reading that some early US explorers of the West who were Welsh ancestry said they could communicate with the Mandan using Welsh.


28 posted on 03/21/2021 5:32:50 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Fred Nerks

Probably the work of Hrdlicka. Thanks for the pic!


29 posted on 03/21/2021 7:11:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: gleeaikin

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30 posted on 03/21/2021 7:33:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Fred Nerks

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31 posted on 03/21/2021 7:33:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: gleeaikin
"I remember reading that some early US explorers of the West who were Welsh ancestry said they could communicate with the Mandan using Welsh."

I've read that president Thomas Jefferson told the Lewis & Clark Expedition not to come back with claims of light skinned people who 'understood' Welsh words. He was already fearful that other countries would lay claim to the western areas and that issue could complicate things.

"President Thomas Jefferson commissioned the expedition shortly after the Louisiana Purchase in 1803 to explore and to map the newly acquired territory, to find a practical route across the western half of the continent, and to establish an American presence in this territory before European powers attempted to establish claims in the region."

32 posted on 03/21/2021 7:56:05 PM PDT by blam
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To: Trumpet 1

It didn’t appear in Europe until after Columbus, so they blamed on indigenous North American’s... Whether it originated there... Who knows?


33 posted on 03/22/2021 3:24:25 AM PDT by jerod (Nazi's were essentially Socialist in Hugo Boss uniforms... Get over it!)
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To: Wuli

Did they blame the Climate Change of Olde on mankind as well?

Smelting, mining, industrial waste!


34 posted on 03/22/2021 7:58:15 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Lean on Joe Biden to follow Donald Trump's example and donate his annual salary to charity. )
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To: gleeaikin
Mandan is of the Sioux language family. Supposedly, it has some vocabulary similar to Welsh. The earliest forms of a Siouxian written language is the winter count which uses symbols similar to Chinese characters (kanji).

It may be purely coincidental, but there are other explanations as well.

If you care to explore that rabbit hole, you can put "Welsh Indians" into your search engine.

35 posted on 03/22/2021 9:36:18 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: chajin

They would be ancestors of today’s. There’s no evidence that they were exterminated by some unknown group. Later cultures like those who built the mounds at Cahokia also used copper and made some fine copper artifacts- copper-covered ear spools, embossed copper plates, copper-covered box turtle shells, pressure flaking tools for working chert, etc. They traded for copper from the Great Lakes region, then fashioned the metal into art, and exported it for other items from afar, like micah, obsidian, and whelk shells.


36 posted on 03/24/2021 7:36:03 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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