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Life in these star-systems could have spotted Earth
phys.org ^ | 6/23/2021 | by Cornell University

Posted on 06/23/2021 5:34:27 PM PDT by LibWhacker

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To: CapnJack

who might have or are observing us would have some type of radio communication on their planet.


You do realize that the radio spectrum is a tiny part of the electromagnetic spectrum, that radio may not be what most civilizations would use the communicate - See “The Man Who Changed Everything, the Life of James Clerk Maxwell”


21 posted on 06/24/2021 4:42:35 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: fso301

Why are these people so self loathing that they always assume we are not the most advanced lifeform of our type in the universe?

There are trillions of galaxies each with over 300 million stars, each of those with at least one planet. How many planets are there?

If only .001% of those planets have advanced civilizations, how many planet is that?

If .001% of those planets have some form of transportation that allows them to cross stellar distances nearly instantaneously, how many planets is that?

Where do puny Earth people get all their hubris from?


22 posted on 06/24/2021 4:48:44 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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There are trillions of galaxies each with over 300 million stars, each of those with at least one planet. How many planets are there?

That would be a big number but far fewer stars are suitable for enabling life as we know it. Stars fall into one of seven basic types; O,B,A,F,G,K and M. Additional types exist but the bulk fall into OBAFGKM.

Our sun is a type G star which makes up only about 7 percent of all stars.

So, for starters, we should take the numbers you cited and multiply by .07 to narrow the cosmic field down to stars of the same spectral type as our sun.

However, class G stars come in 12 basic variants, our sun being a type G2V.

My point here is that the number of type G or even type G2V stars in the universe is large, but not nearly as large as the absolute total numbers commonly cited.

However, we need to further sort based on the location of a type G star within a galaxy. We have to do this sorting because there is believed to be a galactic-habitable zone.

Most stars in a galaxy do not fall within the habitable zone of the galaxy. Therefore, another big reduction is needed.

Of the type G stars within the habitable zones of galaxies, what percentage have exoplanets? No one knows. To be on the "conservative side" we should assign a number less than 100 percent and thereby reduce the candidate field further.

Of the type G stars within the habitable zones of galaxies, how many have exoplanets of suitable composition orbiting within the star's habitable zone further reduces the field.

So the number gets even smaller and there are additional filtering criteria such as solar systems with gas giants in the outer bands acting as gravitational vacuum cleaners sucking up cosmic debris and thereby protecting the smaller stars within the inner habitable zone. Afterall, it would be hard to form an advanced civilization if your planet was being pummeled by large meteors, comets and other asteroid sized objects.

We must further sort based on planetary composition. If a planet doesn't have an iron core like earth does, it won't have a magnetic field to protect it from cosmic radiation which is in part why Venus and Mars are sterile wastelands.

On and on we can go with the filtering and the number of likely candidates gets smaller and smaller.

If only .001% of those planets have advanced civilizations, how many planet is that?

A thousand times fewer. However, .001 of the total you cited is an incorrect assumption for reasons I just cited and there are many more reasons.

If .001% of those planets have some form of transportation that allows them to cross stellar distances nearly instantaneously, how many planets is that? Where do puny Earth people get all their hubris from?

You are basing your beliefs on absolute total numbers trumpeted by the assorted Carl Sagans who are in position know what they are saying is false.

23 posted on 06/24/2021 9:46:50 AM PDT by fso301
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To: LibWhacker
If indeed there's a civilization out there that has found us, and no doubt there is, it might be a good idea to not come to their attention.

You never know what their intentions might be. And for their part they have no doubt figured out we're an aggressive and violent bunch. They're probably thinking this is a neighborhood to avoid.

24 posted on 06/24/2021 10:03:46 AM PDT by jmacusa (America. Founded by geniuses . Now governed by idiots.)
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To: Chad C. Mulligan
Any aliens within about 70 lightyears can easily infer a technological civilization on our planet by analyzing our television and BMEWS radar signatures.

Not really correct because the signals would so weak as to be undetectable at those distances.

Drop a pebble into a completely calm lake and you can only observe the ripples radiate out so far until the energy of the pebble impacting the surface is so diffuse you can no longer see the effect on the water (ripples).

Radio waves behave similarly. Earth based radio transmitting stations do not transmit enough energy to overcome the vast distances of inter-stellar space due to path loss.

Path loss is the reduction in power density which occurs as a radio wave propagates over a distance.

Every time you double the distance, you receive only one-fourth the power. Assume an television station in 1970 transmittd omni-directionally at 100 kW. The signal is now ~51 light years away but because the signal radiates outward like ripples on a pond, the 100kW is now stretching out over an arc length of 320.4 light years.

The amount of energy received at any signle antenna 51 light years away will be so low as to be undetectable.

25 posted on 06/24/2021 10:57:25 AM PDT by fso301
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To: LibWhacker
Knowingly presenting fantasy as fact.
26 posted on 06/24/2021 11:07:05 AM PDT by fso301
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To: LibWhacker

What I meant was the article is written by people knowingly presenting fantasy as fact.


27 posted on 06/24/2021 11:10:16 AM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301

You are basing your beliefs on absolute total numbers trumpeted by the assorted Carl Sagans who are in position know what they are saying is false.


Really! And who are you to make such an assumption and what is its basis? And who says intelligent life (sic) has to be “life as we know it”? There is just a host of other assumption you made that are not facts, but theories based on other assumptions - rendering your essay to round file level.


28 posted on 06/24/2021 11:47:35 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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Really! And who are you to make such an assumption and what is its basis?

What about my post says assumption?

And who says intelligent life (sic) has to be “life as we know it”?

Did you not notice in my first sentence that I limited what I wrote to life as we know it... aka carbon based life.

There is just a host of other assumption you made that are not facts, but theories based on other assumptions - rendering your essay to round file level.

What of what I wrote is not factual? Are you saying our sun is not a type G star? Do you mean I understated the percentage of type G stars in the universe? Are you saying there isn't such a thing as a habitable zone?

Where were the errors? Help all of us out here.

29 posted on 06/24/2021 12:28:34 PM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301

pointless to argue.


30 posted on 06/24/2021 12:35:49 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: PIF
pointless to argue.

How can there be an argument over facts? Unless you don't have any.

31 posted on 06/24/2021 12:39:18 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Gen.Blather

Space diseases can be worse;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYW3MW6MAro


32 posted on 06/24/2021 12:45:58 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult
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