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A Primer on the Miami Condominium Collapse
FreeRepublic | 6/27/2021 | TheWriterTX

Posted on 06/27/2021 8:33:55 AM PDT by TheWriterTX

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To: logi_cal869

totally good points. sure would be nice if ONCE liberals are held to account for running counties and cities (and states and nations) right the hell into the ground.


101 posted on 06/27/2021 1:39:25 PM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: Trump Girl Kit Cat

In some states a home owner can walk away from a mortgage and the lender has no recourse to collect from the borrower.

This happened a lot int the State of Washington during the real estate bubble burst. Many of those who stopped paying their mortgages were asked by the lenders to just pay the utilities and property taxes in exchange for taking care of the property.


102 posted on 06/27/2021 1:42:38 PM PDT by WASCWatch ( WASC)
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To: absalom01

Then it appears that everyone was acting in good faith to fix the issue.

I am working on a building that has almost two decades of deferred maintenance. I’ve blown the budget every year by over $150K just getting things repaired. I need $6M more.

You read that right. Six million.


103 posted on 06/27/2021 3:48:09 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (Trust not in earthly princes....)
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To: absalom01

It also depends on how long the building manager was on property and what prior boards did/did not do. The person before me didn’t have a clue.


104 posted on 06/27/2021 4:11:25 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (Trust not in earthly princes....)
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To: ScubaDiver

The explosive residue - if any - is at least 12 layers BELOW the rubble that is currently being cleared away.

The only way a concrete deck building can collapse straight down is if the primary support columns all fail at exactly the same moment.

Are there alternative explanations? I will certainly listen if there are.

At the moment, however, the only explanation that makes sense to me is a deliberate act of terrorism.


105 posted on 06/27/2021 7:02:42 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: devere

Does the report say if you don’t do x, y and z by so and so date that the building may collapses on itself?!?


106 posted on 06/27/2021 7:08:06 PM PDT by Treeless Branch
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To: spacejunkie2001

This was MUCH faster than I expected:

https://nypost.com/2021/06/27/developers-of-fla-tower-were-accused-of-paying-off-officials/


107 posted on 06/27/2021 7:59:25 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: logi_cal869

Wow, unbelievable


108 posted on 06/28/2021 5:04:41 AM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: spacejunkie2001

It begins: WaPo runs interference for Cava with a BIG LIE as she desperately tries to credit Biden.

https://thepostmillennial.com/fact-check-establishment-media-falsely-claims-desantis-was-slow-to-respond-to-surfside-condo-collapse?utm_campaign=64469


109 posted on 06/28/2021 6:52:39 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: zeestephen

I’m with you. This is suspicious. The very fact that none of the people in charge want to even consider terrorism in some capacity makes it even more suspicious.

This past year or so should make every single one of us question the narrative/explanations we are told.


110 posted on 06/29/2021 9:22:32 AM PDT by piusv (Francis didn't start the Fire)
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To: TheWriterTX
None of this is unusual either. Condos can be good or bad, depending on management. Based on stories from assorted owners I know, it's surprising this doesn't happen more often. Needed maintenance can be kicked down the road for years, especially if the management company gets wind that a developer "may" buy them out. Then the greed kicks in...

Meanwhile, this part of Florida is very corrosive to everything.

111 posted on 06/29/2021 10:17:02 AM PDT by FalloutShelterGirl (Cool! I found my original screen name!)
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To: FalloutShelterGirl

Management in a condominium can only do what the Board authorizes them to do. Managers do not control the purse strings.

Further, the management fee covers staff time, accounting, etc. It does not cover massive infrastructure repairs.


112 posted on 06/29/2021 6:10:35 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (Trust not in earthly princes....)
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To: piusv
Thanks for your positive comments.

Something is not right here.

I use MSN.com as my home page and news page.

EVERY collapse news story they link to is about alleged structural issues. Photos of routine concrete issues under the pool are treated like a smoking gun for mass murder.

I have learned two new things in the last day...

The building did have salt water intrusion issues in the early 2000s that may have continued until the present day.

That would be unusual and could cause major damage or indicate foundation or bedrock issues.

Also, the night of the collapse, I pulled up a Google aerial photo of the building. The intact building had a really odd shape.

Yesterday, a civil engineer stated that the building was asymmetrical - i.e., not square or rectangular - and that if one part of an asymmetrical structure fails, it can be very hard to predict what happens to the rest of the building.

In any event, I always come back to the same question...

How do you pancake a 12 story concrete deck building unless all the primary support columns fail at the same moment?

113 posted on 06/29/2021 11:18:11 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: FalloutShelterGirl
Re: "Based on stories from assorted owners I know, it's surprising this doesn't happen more often."

That statement is ridiculous.

There are literally thousands of condos on the Florida Atlantic coast.

NONE of them have ever collapsed and killed hundreds of people.

The reasons are obvious...

Every condo unit is privately owned - most people who own things are consciously concerned about maintaining the value of what they own, limiting their personal liability, and - for owner occupied units - preserving their own lives.

Almost every condo unit is insured. What insurance company would write a condo unit policy if they thought the building might collapse?

114 posted on 06/29/2021 11:39:39 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

Kudos to your faith in humanity. Let’s see what comes out now across the country about this issue.


115 posted on 06/30/2021 8:57:05 AM PDT by FalloutShelterGirl (Cool! I found my original screen name!)
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