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Toyota Made Its Key Fob Remote Start Into a Subscription Service [Updated] (next up: turn off your car if your social media has 'misinformation'?)
The Drive ^ | DECEMBER 9, 2021 | ROB STUMPF

Posted on 01/17/2022 8:07:13 AM PST by DoodleBob

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To: George from New England
Some modern “appliances” might actually have some form of commutated/switched DC motor. For example, a furnace? I don't think that fridges and washers do this but I could be wrong.

Anyway, if they do have a DC type motor, then they might be able to run off DC, too.

101 posted on 01/19/2022 9:10:52 AM PST by dhs12345
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DC is for batteries and panels. I won’t use or try to use DC for anything household. Will cost much more in the end.

Your whole house is based on AC 240 split for 120/120 each side. Great, old-school design.


102 posted on 01/19/2022 9:17:51 AM PST by George from New England
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To: dhs12345

We are really on the wrong thread !!


103 posted on 01/19/2022 9:18:14 AM PST by George from New England
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To: George from New England
Never tried this before but you should be able to run your PC and anything with a bridge rectifier front end off of DC.

120VAC. Drop out is usually around 100VAC (maybe lower 90VAC)? 100VAC = ~ 140VDC which is well above the SELV requirement so that wouldn't work. But maybe you can work around the SELV requirement. Heck 120VAC is managed. Anyway, theoretically, you could run your PC and any like devices off of 140VDC. I might be a reliability hit to the bridge since you are only using one branch.

104 posted on 01/19/2022 9:45:03 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: George from New England

Agreed. :)


105 posted on 01/19/2022 9:47:05 AM PST by dhs12345
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Modern switching power supplies might work with dc in, but anything transformer based, nada, must have AC.


106 posted on 01/19/2022 10:09:00 AM PST by George from New England
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To: DoodleBob

Simply say no and have a regular remote start function installed.


107 posted on 01/19/2022 4:44:05 PM PST by JoeRender
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To: dhs12345
If you can start a car, you (or someone) can probably shut it down too.

They offer wifi through an account with AT&T no one else seems to know what that is. There isn't a visible port for a sim card and none is mentioned at least not in my cursory reading of manual, but I am sure there is one somewhere.

The EmptyShelvesBiden administration is trying to sneak a universal kill switch into automobile requirements but I suspect there is already one built in whether available to users or not.

I may go to AT&T and see what I can find out, might be interesting. I have an iPad that I use as a mobile hot spot but not really the same thing. I have a Toyota App on the iPad and the wife's iPhone which controls all those functions but not a kill switch that I can find, maybe another App to buy for that function.

Everything going forward will have a continuing revenue stream, they need something to replace the service revenue they lost by making cars last so long, and they do last a long time for sure.

108 posted on 01/19/2022 4:47:17 PM PST by itsahoot (Many Republicans are secretly Democrats, no Democrats are secretly Republicans. Dan Bongino.)
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To: George from New England

Excellent point. A transformer doesn’t propagate DC very well or at all.

I forgot about....

So some wall warts for example that you use to charge your phone probably use a transformer. Cheaper that way plus you get safety isolation for free. Sill it has to regulate to DC for the gadget. But it is moot because you still have a transformer in the path.

Larger devices like a PC will have a switcher since they consume more power and are more efficient. Hey maybe a house level DC voltage that distributes standard DC voltages and a high level that eliminates the need for an inverter.

Anyway, lol.


109 posted on 01/21/2022 8:58:41 AM PST by dhs12345
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Very few of today’s walwarts use xformers.

China makes switching ones almost free.


110 posted on 01/21/2022 9:06:57 AM PST by George from New England
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To: itsahoot
Yup. Kind of cool since then you have a car based local area network. I considered playing around with that but I don't have ATT as my provider and I didn't want to add special ATT service.

There are hardware solutions that include a telephone based modem and router for campers. You could probably make your own since you only need a telephone modem, which are available, and then you plug the modem into any off the shelf router. Many customers who don't have access to cable or DSL for internet use the telephone network for home internet access. Anyway, kind of cool network hardware is very modular.

Or like you said, you can use your phone as a wifi lan router (I think that they call it tethering) to your phone data network.

111 posted on 01/21/2022 9:09:52 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: George from New England

But there is always one or two. But those devices simply wouldn’t work. Although it there any safety issue feeding a transformer with DC for an extended period of time?


112 posted on 01/21/2022 9:14:16 AM PST by dhs12345
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I would never induce dc into any house wiring. Period.

And any dc circuits should have totally different sockets and plugs.

Safety first. What good is alternate methods if your place goes up in flames!


113 posted on 01/21/2022 9:19:46 AM PST by George from New England
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To: dhs12345

Old time motto. If you try it and it doesn’t work — STOP IT.

Never leave anything that doesn’t perform, connected.


114 posted on 01/21/2022 9:21:19 AM PST by George from New England
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Oh I agree. So maybe another separate bus that is DC. Heck maybe the switcher power supply designers can add an extra connector for DC as an OR fail over.


115 posted on 01/21/2022 9:26:00 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: George from New England
Lol. Ya. Hey doctor, it hurts when I do this....
116 posted on 01/21/2022 9:27:07 AM PST by dhs12345
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I checked with the phone guy in Costco yesterday and he said currently only AT&T can activate the service and cost would be between 20 and 80 dollars. That makes me believe it is already installed by Toyota. Just another revenue stream that all Corporations strive for.

T-Mobile offers a portable link for $50.00 a month which is not bad, used to be $40 I think. They also offer home service with their own router and antenna that is for use in the home. Lot of options now and will only get better in the future. I regularly get better than 50 mbit speeds using the mobile access on my iPad, they claim 200 or more for home but I think that is for 5G stuff. Lot of people are still stuck at 5 or less from their service provider.


117 posted on 01/21/2022 9:43:49 AM PST by itsahoot (Many Republicans are secretly Democrats, no Democrats are secretly Republicans. Dan Bongino.)
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