Posted on 04/01/2022 9:00:05 AM PDT by RandFan
Good points! Vs the Putinistas point of view...kill all innocent women and children.
It shows how degraded our political debate is and how dominated the nation is by the MIC and corrupt media that he even must say this.
Neocons aren’t going to like this
I think this is certainly best.
If the Russians wind up keeping Eastern Donbas (not the whole provinces of Luhansk and Donetsk) and the Crimea, then ending the invasion and war would be best for the Ukrainians.
Many will disagree and say the Ukrainians would then have their land stolen. I think though, one could argue that they don’t control these regions anyway, and it would just make the ownership de jure as well as the current de facto.
Do I think it is wrong for Russia to wrestle these lands from them? Yes. But realpolitik would say they are never going to get them back, and I’m just acknowledging that. Zelinksyy already said they won’t join NATO, so that doesn’t have to be negotiated. He should tell the Russians, however, changing their Constitution to suit Russia is beyond negotiation. This is clearly up to the Ukrainians themselves to decide.
I’m not a Putinista, either. I actually support Ukraine as they were clearly the aggrieved party.
I like Zelinskyy and think he has risen to the challenge of his times.
But sometimes you have to give a lot to stop the carnage.
Name calling is much easier than attempting to refute an argument using logic.
Tough. Eisenhower and Washington were right. Sick of the war drums, sticking our nose where it isn't wanted or appreciated, American blood and treasure wasted with no plan, intention, or possibility of victory, and profiteering by politicians, pundits, and Wall Street. The Bidens being deeply enmeshed in all the corruption makes me want to find a tall tree and two short lengths of rope.
Uh oh. Rand is a craven Putin lover now!
At the outset Russia stated they wanted recognition of Luhansk and Donetsk as independent states. They also wanted recognition of Crimea as part of Russia.
“It doesn’t justify (Putin’s) aggression, but I do think we need to find off ramps and exits even for our enemies.”
***We should help those Ukes find nuke off ramps. They NEGOTIATED a nuke treaty and HONORED it. The Rukes VIOLATED it by invading twice. Since that agreement is null and void, the Ukes are free to pursue nukes.
We pursued nukes when we were in an existential war, so who are we to scold them for using nukes in their existential war? Especially when we are the ones who have betrayed them.
Why doesn’t Rand Paul look at it from that perspective, hmmmm?
Do I think it is wrong for Russia to wrestle these lands from them? Yes. But realpolitik would say they are never going to get them back, and I’m just acknowledging that.
***”Realpolitik” would understand that a single missile strike 10 miles into Russian Territory to blow up an ammo dump could easily be a demo that the Ukes can blow nukes on the Rukes, utterly changing that “realpolitik” equation.
Maybe he doesn’t want to get the world blown up.
American blood and treasure wasted with no plan, intention, or possibility of victory,
***We should follow the emBASEee strategee
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/4043681/posts
At the outset of the 1994 agreement, Russia agreed that those regions are part of the Ukraine.
Since that agreement is null and void, the Ukes are free to pursue nukes.
When they employ their nukes, is the world MORE likely to get blown up or LESS likely?
In the Minsk II agreements, Ukraine agreed to allow the provinces to hold a vote on succession.
Instead, Ukraine waged war against them.
I’m leaning toward “more”.
They obviously changed their minds, what the justification was IDK. But this was one of their states objectives.
what the justification was IDK. But this was one of their states objectives.
***Oh, that’s easy. In 2012 there were vast reserves of oil & natural gas found in Ukraine. And lookie-here-guess-what, the Russians invaded THOSE areas.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4050958/posts
Minsk? AFAICT we didn’t sign the minskyminsk agreements, and the Budapest Agreement supercedes them.
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