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SFWA eats their own: Mercedes Lackey is made Grand Master, banned from Nebulas on same day
Upstream Reviews ^ | May 24, 2022 | Michael Gallagher

Posted on 05/24/2022 10:54:16 AM PDT by texas booster

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To: texas booster

I read a free verse poem written by Moira Greyland, daughter of Marion Z. Bradlee.

It was titled ‘Mother’s Hands’
It was devastating and terrible.

I won’t print it here. Too sad.


21 posted on 05/24/2022 11:24:04 AM PDT by lee martell
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To: cgbg

Very nice. Thanks!


22 posted on 05/24/2022 11:24:30 AM PDT by Steely Tom ([Voter Fraud] == [Civil War])
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To: Steely Tom
You are about 10 years ahead of me on the timeline, but by the 1980's I had given up on everything but Analog.

I finally dropped Analog in the early 2000's, after realizing that they include a story for the oldtimers, some decent science fact ... and 100 pages of drivel.

Also, for writers:

If you’re reading this and were thinking about joining SFWA, you might want to take a moment to give the IASFA a look; you won’t have to surrender any sensitive info beyond an email address, membership is free, and they have lots of resources to help indie authors market themselves and get their stuff out there.

23 posted on 05/24/2022 11:27:41 AM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: texas booster

Not a big fan of sci-if but anyone who is identified as a protege of Marion Zimmer Bradley is someone I couldn’t care less about. Her and Breen were filth.


24 posted on 05/24/2022 11:28:33 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.i)
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To: texas booster

Heinlein is turning over in his grave.


25 posted on 05/24/2022 11:28:34 AM PDT by Alvin Diogenes
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To: Da Coyote
I’ve read and loved good SF since childhood. Thanks to the loathsome present day SFWA, I scan what pile of excrement they’re awarding as an “avoid at all cost list” lest I lose my ability to think.

After all, who wants a story of a self-involved aware piece of gay trans software ...

I enjoyed Arthur C. Clarke in my youth. He wrote some great stuff. Turned out, he was gay, which is why he moved to Sri Lanka. It was easier to be gay there than in Britain at the time.

But Clarke kept his sexuality out of his stories. He wrote about hard science, and his stories were intriguing.

If he'd been young today, he might have filled up all his novels with gay themes, and he would have written crap.

26 posted on 05/24/2022 11:29:27 AM PDT by Angelino97
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To: Steely Tom
"The Man Who Folded Himself" (by David Gerrold)

That was a good time travel novel. Yes, the gay bits were discomforting. But it being 1973, it was incidental to the overall story.

27 posted on 05/24/2022 11:31:27 AM PDT by Angelino97
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To: texas booster

Yet they allow the writer of “Hogg” to be on the panel. Need to know how leftist a group is, check their hypocrisy first.


28 posted on 05/24/2022 11:32:53 AM PDT by Retrofitted
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“with it, she joins the ranks of the likes of Gene Wolf”

I think the author meant Gene WOLFE.


29 posted on 05/24/2022 11:33:12 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: texas booster; cgbg
Once in a while, I google the names of some of the SF writers I liked as a child. I've gotten the distinct impression that a lot of them were basically hippies (or proto-hippies) from the Jack Kerouac era or even before.

It seems to me that many of them went to California to support themselves as writers or artists in one way or another, got into drugs and "alternative lifestyles" of various types. Due to competitive pressures within the SF publishing marketplaces, they migrated to ever more "sketchy" subject matter ("sketchy" being one of the very few neologisms I like), and pumped it out to their largely youthful audience.

I don't think they necessarily did this because they wanted to "poison young minds," although some of them probably thought they were striking a blow against the CIA and the Military Industrial Complex by doing so, back during the Vietnam-Watergate era.

I think most of them just did it because those lifestyle choices were ones they were making personally, and they were just writing about what they knew.

Some of them (like Philip K. Dick) were actually mentally ill. Dick perhaps made himself mentally ill through massive drug ingestion, I don't know. There were others who went this route.

Some of them were just nasty.

Some of them thought they were experimenting with forces that would unleash the next level of human evolution.

Some of them were just cynical and needed to make their next buck.

30 posted on 05/24/2022 11:34:50 AM PDT by Steely Tom ([Voter Fraud] == [Civil War])
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To: Alvin Diogenes
Heinlein is turning over in his grave.

I have doubts about Heinlein too, I'm sorry to say.

He was real tight with Jack Parsons and L. Ron Hubbard for a while.

31 posted on 05/24/2022 11:36:26 AM PDT by Steely Tom ([Voter Fraud] == [Civil War])
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To: Steely Tom
I don't know anything about that. I'm just going by what he wrote in novels like The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress. It's a far cry from today's social justice warrior crap.
32 posted on 05/24/2022 11:38:34 AM PDT by Alvin Diogenes
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To: Alvin Diogenes
I don't know anything about that. I'm just going by what he wrote in novels like The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress. It's a far cry from today's social justice warrior crap.

True. I liked Heinlein very much, and I think he made a huge contribution to SF and to cultural life in general.

But I think he was "out there." My affection for him causes me to be inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt, at least on most things.

33 posted on 05/24/2022 11:41:40 AM PDT by Steely Tom ([Voter Fraud] == [Civil War])
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To: lee martell

especially when the people referred to are not african americans unless they emigrated from africa and became a US citizen. If they were merely born here, they are americans. Period. Idiocy to act otherwise.


34 posted on 05/24/2022 11:41:58 AM PDT by NicoDon
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To: Angelino97
That was a good time travel novel. Yes, the gay bits were discomforting. But it being 1973, it was incidental to the overall story.

What turned me off was that I got the distinct impression that he was trying to sell me something. I don't remember the details (49 years ago) but that's the aspect that creeped me out at the time.

Diverse sexual attitudes I had already encountered, and mostly ignored. I'm thinking here of parts of Heinlein's Time Enough For Love, and parts of Samuel R. Delany's Nova, but there were others besides those.

35 posted on 05/24/2022 11:47:21 AM PDT by Steely Tom ([Voter Fraud] == [Civil War])
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“Some of them (like Philip K. Dick) were actually mentally ill.”

That is certainly true by most definitions of the term.

In my opinion he was the best of the best—he saw stuff that nobody else could see—well beyond the capabilities of any “normal” person.

His stories were written from the point of view of an average citizen who is suddenly confronted with a crazy universe that gives no quarter—that fits today’s world perfectly.


36 posted on 05/24/2022 11:54:13 AM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: Steely Tom
What turned me off was that I got the distinct impression that he was trying to sell me something. I don't remember the details ...

The details were that every time he went back in time, he split off from himself. And these other selves also time traveled. So there were many of himselves out there. He met some of them, and slept with them.

Essentially, he was having sex with himself. He said that since he knew what he liked, his two selves making love (or several in an orgy) could satisfy himself.

Very weird. But also inadvertently revealing, in that homosexuality is, in a sense, a form of self-love.

37 posted on 05/24/2022 11:57:52 AM PDT by Angelino97
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Very weird. But also inadvertently revealing, in that homosexuality is, in a sense, a form of self-love.

Interesting, never thought of that, but it makes sense.

Just looking at the title of the novel, I realize that his working title was probably "The Man Who F***ed Himself," but his editor at the publishing company put the kibosh on that, so he changed a few letters of one word.

38 posted on 05/24/2022 12:01:45 PM PDT by Steely Tom ([Voter Fraud] == [Civil War])
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To: cgbg; Steely Tom
The thing about Dick's novels, they always start off intriguing. Then, about 2/3 into the novel, he tosses out everything and the story takes a seemingly random turn into the bizarre.

FWIW, he was raised a Calvinist, yet had a fascination for Jewish mysticism. This is especially evident in The Divine Invasion, in which a black character is a reincarnation of Isaiah, and he's studying a 3-D Torah.

39 posted on 05/24/2022 12:03:17 PM PDT by Angelino97
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To: cgbg
His stories were written from the point of view of an average citizen who is suddenly confronted with a crazy universe that gives no quarter—that fits today’s world perfectly.

True. Harlan Ellison also explored that domain.

The counter-culture was very strong back then, although more "in-the-closet" than it is today.

Now the "counter-culture" has become the culture, and we are the counter-culture.

40 posted on 05/24/2022 12:04:16 PM PDT by Steely Tom ([Voter Fraud] == [Civil War])
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