Posted on 10/04/2022 6:37:55 AM PDT by son of terrence
JEFFREY SACHS: I was attacked in The Atlantic for being on the side of peace. And I confess, I'm on the side of peace. I'm very worried we are on the path of escalation to nuclear war, nothing less than that.
Russia feels that this war is at the core of its security interests. The United States insists it will do anything to support Ukraine's defeat of Russia. Russia views this as a proxy war with the United States. Whatever one thinks about this, this is the path of extraordinary, dangerous escalation. And I am very fearful.
A lot of the world is watching these events in horror, and a lot of the world doesn't like this NATO expansion, which they interpret as at the core of this. They want to see a compromise between the U.S. and Russia.
In vote after vote in the United Nations, basically, it has been the Western nations that have been voting for sanctions and denunciations and other actions. Whereas most of the world, certainly most of the world counted by population, is on the sidelines. They just view this as a horrible clash between Russia and the U.S. They don't view this, as we describe it in the media, as an unprovoked attack by Russia on Ukraine.
Anyone in the U.S. thinks, "well, what else is it?" But that is because of the way our media has been reporting this. This conflict goes back a long time, it didn't start on February 24, 2022. In fact, the war itself started in 2014, not in 2022, and even that had antecedents.
Most of the world doesn't see it the way we describe it. Most of the world is just terrified right now, frankly.
(Excerpt) Read more at jeffsachs.org ...
European leaders must now approach discussions with Russia without the US or Chinese involvement. There are too many undercurrents between the major powers to reach an achievable deescalation. Any discussions should be televised live for the world to hear and see the what has driven us to the brink of nuclear war. Host them in Italy, Germany or Hungary on neutral ground. Sunlight is a great disinfectant.
It’s actually a good thing to have some sissies around when we’re talking about “nucular (sic) war”.
America to the southern border and out of Eastern Europe. Not our dog and pony show.
Now that is funny. True and funny.
NATO and the US are the ones telling Zelensky not to sign a peace treaty and are offering him expensive trinkets to continue the war. This could have been concluded in March, with the exact same annexing of Eastern Ukraine.
The Great Reset requires nuclear war.
Whatever I think about Jeffrey Sachs the rest of the time, he’s right on this one.
FTA: “Russia feels that this war is at the core of its security interests. The United States insists it will do anything to support Ukraine’s defeat of Russia.”
This war is about acquisition; Ukraine posed no threat to Russia. And the US “...insists it will do anything to support Ukraine’s defeat of Russia” is just alarmist hyperbole. We don’t want Ukraine to DEFEAT Russia, we want Ukraine to expel Russian invaders from Ukraine; do that, and Russia goes on just as it had before it invaded; a little embarrassed, perhaps; and minus some men and materiel; but not much more. That is hardly DEFEATING Russia.
He has been down on the NeoCons all along, and ascribes our current policy to them. He has been critical of the West vis-a-vis Ukraine since the war began. Mostly though yeah, Sachs is a vendor of liberal conventional wisdom.
The Great Reset requires nuclear war.
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They’ve got europe, but despite how much brandon is trying to **** up the united states, we are not going to be in nearly as bad of shape as Europe this winter. The reset (and I must admit I’m not up on what that actually means) must be global. The re-setters, whoever they are, will not accept significant populations falling through the cracks.
Our Neocon Twitter Chimps despise any talk of peace.
No, it really doesn't. The average Russian was not feeling threatened by Ukraine before this war. The bogus security concerns concocted by Putin were just a cover for his ambition to reconstitute the geographic boundaries of the Soviet union.
And that's not because Russia needed those larger boundaries because it was otherwise "threatened". Putin wanted those boundaries purely to advance his own sense of Russia's greatness and destiny.
It's about ego, not security.
If Russians withdraw from Ukraine, Russia will still exist. No one is threatening the existence of Russia. Does that mean whenever a nuclear nation threatens the US, we must immediately comply to their demands? China? North Korea?
US President Donald Trump has boasted that his nuclear button is "much bigger" and "more powerful" than North Korean leader Kim Jong-un's.
“This is a path of dangerous escalation”
No shirt, Shylock.
There are any number of factions that WANT escalation, pretending it is “brinksmanship”. On the best day ever, confrontation and challenge are fraught with risk the other guy is willing to bluff and bluster through ANYTHING.
Strategy and tactics for how to deal with an enemy force are best summed up in the Sun Tzu “Rules of War”.
The world talked peace with Putin when he annexed Crimea. The world talked peace with Putin when he supported separatists in Ukraine in 2014 and set up puppet states. Result-Putin invaded Ukraine in 2022, trying to take the capitol.
Shoo, Twitter Chimp. No one pays attention to Regime Changers.
“Whatever I think about Jeffrey Sachs the rest of the time, he’s right on this one.”
Well put.
This demonstrates that Sachs is, as are most in the Corporate Media, an arsehole of the highest caliber.
On our PDJT The GOAT, he was all OCD, and delusional with TDS.
But he can see this shiite storm?
So, he’s not an idiot, just a lying POS.
zero consistency- zero credibility
I’m no fan of Sachs — not by a long shot — but he’s right about this, the likelihood that SARS-Cov-2 was a lab leak, and the certainty that the US sponsored gain-of-function research in Wuhan and other labs.
“ The United States insists it will do anything to support Ukraine’s defeat of Russia.”
No. That’s stated incorrectly, and dangerously.
Ukraine has never even dreamt about “defeating Russia”
The want to DEFEND themselves against an invasion. Very, very different.
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