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Footage shows Russian conscripts revolt on the border, saying they're 'treated as cattle', given 'zero training' and kept in 'brutal, appalling conditions' as they're sent to Ukraine
Daily Mail ^ | 10/6/2022 | Will Stewart

Posted on 10/06/2022 8:06:06 AM PDT by marcusmaximus

Russian conscripts are in revolt after being treated like 'cattle' and given 'no training' as they head to the war in Ukraine.

A video shows the men publicly complaining about their treatment in 'brutal, absolutely appalling conditions' after they were mobilised by Vladimir Putin.

The shocking footage is just the latest evidence of the total chaos over the Russian call-up of reservists that has left even Kremlin cheerleaders in despair.

The desperate recruits risk punishment by venting their fury over their plight after arriving by train in Belgorod region which borders Ukraine.

One of the soldiers, acting as a spokesman for the miserable men, says to camera: 'There are about 500 of us, all armed. Yet we are not registered to any military unit.

'We spent a week in brutal, absolutely appalling conditions. We had no provisions, no money - nothing at all.

'We have no clue who is going where, which military unit. Our weapons are not registered to us.

'Not a single machine gun is registered with a military ID….[against the Russian criminal code.'

He continues: 'The attitude from the officers is to treat us as cattle. No-one needs us, there is zero training.

'We eat what we buy ourselves. We spent an awful amount of money just to get food.'

The soldier then mocks the weaponry they have been issued.

He says: 'And don't even start us about the ammunition This is the ammunition they've given us

'It was found lying on the ground of the military unit.'

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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To: rigelkentaurus

“Isn’t this the same as how Russians fought WWI and WWII?”

Quite similar to how they fought WWI. Russia was pretty much out of the war before the US got involved in Europe in June, 1917. The Bolsheviks — who were very much opposed to the war — overthrew the Tsar in March, 1917, and immediately began to seek terms with the Central Powers (mainly, Germany).

In WWII, The Soviets were driven back between June, 1941 and October, 1942. Then, beginning in November, 1942 the tide began to change and the Germans were put on the defensive.

There are three major reasons why Russia is struggling against Ukraine.

First, Russia’s conventional forces are pretty shoddy. Second, Russia sucks at logistics. Third — and perhaps most important — The Russian people are not invested in the war against Ukraine. Russians can fight VERY well when Mother Russia is invaded, and Russians are fighting on their own home turf, and it is THEIR families who are at risk. Absent that, they have historically proved to be rather mediocre.


21 posted on 10/06/2022 8:44:45 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Kazan

“If Ukaine wishes to oust Russia from Kherson it will have to mass forces necessary to conduct the block to block fighting that Russia did when it captured Mariupol.”

I’d just surround them and wait for them to starve. It’d only take a week or so. Once the conscripts have slaughtered the officers who are treating them this way they’ll gladly surrender.

L


22 posted on 10/06/2022 8:45:04 AM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: Bayard

my thoughts are that there are no good people involved...wars are never fought for the reasons the general public is motivated to fight the war. the reasons always come down to who it is being profitable for. this person or group has the political pull to keep the fight going. I really don’t care which side is good and witch side is bad. the reasons motivating the conflict go back to at least the breakup of the Sovit union and did not just start with putin and the soviet invasion.


23 posted on 10/06/2022 8:45:27 AM PDT by PCPOET7 (`)
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To: Kazan

You are incorrect. Ukraine has been gaining ground by double flanking Russian positions and shutting down Russian logistical support. With winter coming on Russia will have a hard time holding ground.


24 posted on 10/06/2022 8:51:22 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dreams)
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To: Kazan; Lurker

The Ukes haven’t had to fight those kinds of street battles for the most part. They just cut supply lines and keep moving.


25 posted on 10/06/2022 8:54:15 AM PDT by marron
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To: marcusmaximus

“Tell your Putin to leave Ukraine.”

_________________________

Moronic statement.


26 posted on 10/06/2022 8:56:40 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: marron

“They just cut supply lines and keep moving.”

Take a page right out of Patton’s playbook. Surround and then bypass. Leave the defenders to starve and freeze. In about a week they’ll turn on their officers and surrender en masse.

L


27 posted on 10/06/2022 8:58:15 AM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: All
If Prigozhin is using Wagner to stage videos to undermine [Russian Defense Minister Sergei] Shoigu then Putin really has lost control of the situation.


28 posted on 10/06/2022 9:04:39 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: marcusmaximus

Those aren’t Russians! They’re neocon globo fluffers! /s


29 posted on 10/06/2022 9:07:34 AM PDT by popdonnelly (All the enormous crimes in history have been committed by governments.)
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To: marcusmaximus

“Tell your Putin to leave Ukraine.”

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You tell your John Sherman, Department of Defense
Chief Information Officer to back off propagandizing FreeRepublic.

For people other than the propogandists to reference:

Propagandists in our DoD and you know they’re operating at many sites, not just Facebook and Twitter, like here as you’ll notice when you view their profiles “in forum.”

Excerpt:

“The takedowns in recent years by Twitter and Facebook of more than 150 bogus personas and media sites created in the United States was disclosed last month by internet researchers Graphika and the Stanford Internet Observatory. While the researchers did not attribute the sham accounts to the U.S. military, two officials familiar with the matter said that U.S. Central Command is among those whose activities are facing scrutiny. Like others interviewed for this report, they spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive military operations.“

And another:

“”One diplomat put it this way: “Generally speaking, we shouldn’t be employing the same kind of tactics that our adversaries are using because the bottom line is we have the moral high ground. We are a society that is built on a certain set of values. We promote those values around the world and when we use tactics like those, it just undermines our argument about who we are.””

Pentagon opens sweeping review of clandestine psychological operations
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/19/pentagon-psychological-operations-facebook-twitter/


30 posted on 10/06/2022 9:09:12 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: rigelkentaurus

They lost in WWI and we helped the tyrant running the country in WWII.


31 posted on 10/06/2022 9:09:18 AM PDT by popdonnelly (All the enormous crimes in history have been committed by governments.)
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To: Kazan
What Prigozhin doing?


32 posted on 10/06/2022 9:10:06 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: rigelkentaurus

Loooong retreats. Characterized both.


33 posted on 10/06/2022 9:10:27 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To: marcusmaximus

Regardless, those poor saps humping rifles in the cold are better men than a pack of keyboard wielding REMFs.


34 posted on 10/06/2022 9:11:11 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: marcusmaximus

You believe that crap?


35 posted on 10/06/2022 9:12:25 AM PDT by popdonnelly (All the enormous crimes in history have been committed by governments.)
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To: C210N

Its a fake anyway.


36 posted on 10/06/2022 9:15:02 AM PDT by MarMema (No bugs for consumption)
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To: jacknhoo

The Bezos Amazon Post?


37 posted on 10/06/2022 9:16:16 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: marcusmaximus

Russian Ukraine border 2022

https://youtu.be/sDXPNtaD6ZY


38 posted on 10/06/2022 9:26:31 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
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To: Lurker; Kazan

The pro-Russians often point this out, when Ukraine makes large gains on the battlefield, that the Russians weren’t defeated, they just withdrew. Exactly, that’s how it works.

For those paying attention, this war has been a real education as this has been a logistics war, maybe all wars are. They fight crossroads to crossroads trying to assure their own supply lines and cut their opponent’s supply lines. The Ukes in particular, since they lack the sheer volume of artillery, have focused on supply depots. A lot of what we see reflects what each army has to work with. The Russians have, or had, large numbers of old fashioned cannons and almost infinite ammunition for them, use large-scale cannon barrages to turn enemy targets to dust. The Ukrainians lack those numbers, but have a few precision weapons which they use for effect going after supplies. It’s interesting.


39 posted on 10/06/2022 9:29:15 AM PDT by marron
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To: marron

“this war has been a real education as this has been a logistics war, maybe all wars are.”

They all are. “Amateurs think about tactics. Professionals think about logistics.”

L


40 posted on 10/06/2022 9:47:02 AM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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