[Red Badger]

FINALLY! SOMEBODY HAD TO SAY IT!...................

[SMARTY]

Y E S!

She sounds awful when she ‘sings’!!

[ProtectOurFreedom]

“She doesn’t know a diminished chord from a minor seventh chord to a major seventh chord,” Afanasieff added.

So Mariah and I have a lot in common regarding chords. But there's one little thing that differentiates us...

[aynrandfreak]

I mostly can’t stand Mariah, but that sounds more like sour grapes than a fair charge. She could have written most of the song, and then he added a couple of the complex chords. She has shown musical ability if only by how she sings many of those runs.

[subterfuge]

Lol. I caught a few minutes of her Christmas special the other day. She was sort of talking/rapping/ singing (?) on stage while some homo dude was applying makeup to her face while a woman was doing something with her hair. It was really weird. I changed the channel.

[rarestia]

Doesn’t matter. The general public doesn’t care about mechanics or theory. They care about perceived “talent.”

Sorta like Biden. They don’t care that he’s an empty suit taking cues from globalist billionaires. He’s a figurehead. He knows as much about finance as he does how to go boom boom in da potty.

[nuconvert]

wanker

[HamiltonJay]

The dude has a writing credit for the song, and is getting nice fat checks every year from it... so I’m not sure where he is coming from claiming she says she wrote it solo.

Has she taken more credit for it than she deserves? Probably... they are the ones who get the interviews, not the songwriters... so I am sure she’s exaggerated or embellished the story of the songs creation to “play to the crowd” over the years. Let’s face it, at the end of the day, she’s an entertainer, that’s what they do, entertain.

Also a pop artist not having a deep understanding of music or musical theory? Those are a dime of dozen, and have been for decades.

[V_TWIN]

“She doesn’t play anything, she doesn’t play keyboard or piano. She doesn’t understand music, she doesn’t know chord changes and music theory or anything like that,”

I know many people that can play guitar (and other instruments) have never had even the first music lesson and can’t even read music.....but God gifted them with natural talent.....I think that’s what we have here.

[V_TWIN]

“Walter Afanasieff,......American record producer and songwriter of Russian-Chinese descent.”

I think I fou6the problem

[BradyLS]

All I can say is I hope the dude has tenacious representation to keep his name stuck on that song so he can get a healthy slice of those $3M yearly residuals. After that, be glad to be a partner in creating the song.

[real saxophonist]

Most music stars know nothing about music, they are simply a manufactured product from the music industry.

I've had many conversations that went like this:

Me - What do you know about music?
'Musician' - A LOT.
Me - Key of C Major, spell the Dominant 5th.
'Musician - Huh?

[dangus]

If Mariah Carey knows nothing about music then Ben Marguiles is a frickin’ genius and Mariah Carey has some mad interpretive skills of other natures I can’t fathom. Maguiles and Carey wrote “Vision of Love,” which is an absolute NUCLEAR BOMB of a song.

Yeah, I get “All I Want For Christmas” might not be everyone’s tastes (or even mine). Keeping Christmas songs light, cheery and Christmas-shopping-y makes some of the greatest rock songwriters sound like retarded five-year-olds; consider the absolute Christmas crapsicles released by Paul McCartney!

Here’s the thing: even if Vision of Love is LARGELY Ben Marguiles’ work, Mariah Carey frickin’ owns that song! Now, we’ve all seen mere kids on TV talent shows and YouTube clips ape great singers like Janis Joplin, Aretha Franklin, Whitney Houston, Roger Daltrey, Robert Plant, etc. But to just GET a song that you’ve never heard a superior singer sing? We’re not talking Madonna just painting-by-numbers songs written by committee, or even Lady Gaga blasting her way through such songs. We’re talking quality bluesiness that outdid even Aretha Franklin and her niece, Whitney.

Now, you can not know certain music skills; how many times have we been told of the classic rock songwriters who can’t read sheet music? Would I believe Mariah Carey knows song chords by sound rather than naming-by-root? Yeah. Might she identify a chord as a Hendrix chord instead of as a VII19? I could believe that. But this guy makes it sound like he programmed some punch card and out came Mariah Carey’s voice. And that is CERTAINLY NOT what happened with, for instance, Vision of Love.

[duckman]

People love the ‘Christmas’ song and its presentation; she has a natural God given talent and is sharing it with those who want to listen IMHO

[Robert DeLong]

Walter Afanasieff

[MCSETots]

Really? Not a big fan of Carey’s, but she’s sold something like 220 million singles and 70 million albums, putting her the top ten and maybe even top five women based on sales. She must be doing something right.

But, then again, Eminem, Bieber and “Ye” are in the top ten of male singers, so there’s that . . .

[jdsteel]

The vast majority of our population asks “who sings that song”.

Not “who plays that song”.

All they pay attention to is the lead vocal.

[KarlInOhio]

“She doesn't know a diminished chord from a minor seventh chord to a major seventh chord,” Afanasieff added.

She can't even sing all the notes of a chord simultaneously, something even a beginning piano or guitar player can play < eyeroll>

[x]

“She doesn’t know a diminished chord from a minor seventh chord to a major seventh chord,” Afanasieff added.

That's probably true of many singers. That's why she paid him and gave him co-writer credit.

[ConservativeMind]

I’d like to know if she could say he has no musical talent, from the singing side.

[OrangeHoof]

All I can tell you is “Vision of Love” is one of the top songs of all time.