World's 1st horseback riders swept across Europe roughly 5,000 years ago

LiveScience ^ | March 3, 2023 | Kristina Killgrove

[ckilmer]

Sounds like there was a big genetic turn over as well during the younger dryas in Europe.

[SunkenCiv]

An anachronistic political agenda is not the same thing as history or archaeology.

The DNA I had done didn’t include archaic DNA, I had to use my raw file to get analyzed for that. Ancestry at that time didn’t even look for or maybe just didn’t report Ashkenazi roots, which I figured would be there (and is, Ancestry just didn’t tell me). Ancestry did show a tiny (less than 1 percent) Native American, which turned out to be lurking in the archaic DNA, and originating pre-Bering Strait. :^)

[blam]

War Of The Heavenly Horses

"Blood-sweating" Horse Sparks Chinese Equestrian Interest

Pants were not invented until people began horse back riding:

These Are the World's Oldest Pants

"Jeans may have been invented in 1873, but these trousers beat that date by a long shot. A pair of wool pants was recently discovered in a graveyard in western China’s Tarim Basin dating back to around 3,300 years ago. They’re the oldest pants archaeologists have ever found—though they look like they might fit in quite well at Anthropology."

[seowulf]

Pants were not invented until people began horse back riding

Well, I for one would not want to ride a horse wearing a kilt; especially as a "true Scotsman".

[SunkenCiv]

The Han considered an alliance with the Romans to get the intervening adversaries into a vice. Instead, a plague hit the entire ancient world, leading to (well documented by court records) devastation of the Han armies as well as the (also documented) Roman armies, and luckily for Rome, the Parthians and luckily for both, the wild lawless hordes of the steppe.

[gleeaikin]

I suspect that the Basques were one, perhaps the only, European civilization which were not displaced by the horse conquerers. Basque language is not traceable to any other language. When the men were killed, the women were eventually forced to adopt the language of the conquerers. I wonder if male Basque dna has been analyzed with this question in mind?

[DoughtyOne]

Interesting thought...

[Fred Nerks]

My Prussian great grandfather would have said keep those foreigners out of the country.

[gleeaikin]

My Prussian great grandfather was probably partly decended from those “foreigners”. His surname included the honorific “von”

[SunkenCiv]

IMHO, in a word, no. The ancestors of the Basques probably weren't in Europe when this happened.

America B.C.
by Barry Fell
(1976)
find it in a nearby library

A fascinating letter I received from a Shoshone Indian who had been traveling in the Basque country of Spain tells of his recognition of Shoshone words over there, including his own name, whose Shoshone meaning proved to match the meaning attached to a similar word by the modern Basques. Unfortunately I mislaid this interesting letter. If the Shoshone scholar who wrote to me should chance to see these words I hope he will forgive me and contact me again. The modern Basque settlers of Idaho may perhaps bring forth a linguist to investigate matters raised in this chapter. /snip [p 173]

• Oldest Text Written In The Basque Language Found On The Hand Of Irulegi [11/20/2022]
• Finds that made Basques proud are fake, say experts [11/28/2008]
• Third Century Roman Inscriptions Discovered In Basque Country [06/08/2006]
• The stone-age Basque language remains mystery to scientists [06/01/2006]

[Candor7]

YOu were Yamana before your Yagrampa....Ha HA!

[gleeaikin]

I may not have a chance to dive into the Basque issues until after tax season. Did Barry Fell analyze the ancient Basque writing as he did others from that time and region? I don’t remember if he and Gloria Farley ever looked at that.

I do know that Portuguese sailors were fishing the Grand Banks of Newfoundland very early on. Could Basques also have done so? There is also the report that Mandan Indians apparently knew some Welsh words. Were there also Welsh fishermen in those early centuries. At any rate I wonder if it may be just as likely that Basques and Welsh met up with American Indians on shores not too far from the Grand Banks and left their language traces. I now consider it less likely that American Indians traveled to Europe and left language traces. Perhaps after reading some of the links you have left here and at the other links listed I may have a revised opinion.

The article you posted about which Indians hated which Indians the most not long ago, certainly tells an interesting story about how they progressively pushed or were pushed from East to West over the centuries. Where did the Shoshone and Mandens originate or live 2000 years ago?

[SunkenCiv]

There was a Basque chauvanist in the ESOP group who pushed a pro-Basque agenda and denigrated much of the other (real) work on ESOP.