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A map of the Yamnaya and Afanasievo distribution in Eurasia about 5,000 years ago.
Image credit: Trautmann et al., Sci. Adv. 9, eade2451 (2023)
Image credit: Trautmann et al., Sci. Adv. 9, eade2451 (2023)

1 posted on 03/11/2023 7:57:54 AM PST by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv

I have to believe it was much before that.


2 posted on 03/11/2023 8:01:32 AM PST by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: SunkenCiv

“217 human skeletons”
My guess is most were not wearing the proper boots, jodhpurs, gloves & helmets.


3 posted on 03/11/2023 8:03:13 AM PST by Tupelo (A House Divided Against Itself Cannot Stand)
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To: SunkenCiv

Wouldn’t that be the “Golden Horde” Mongolians? Lots of high cheekbones in eastern Europe.


4 posted on 03/11/2023 8:03:47 AM PST by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: SunkenCiv; Gamecock; SaveFerris; PROCON

That may explain why Aunt Manya had a pony.


6 posted on 03/11/2023 8:08:39 AM PST by Larry Lucido (Donate! Don't just postill clickbait!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Interesting article. This is a fascinating subject.


9 posted on 03/11/2023 8:12:08 AM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: null and void; aragorn; EnigmaticAnomaly; kalee; Kale; AZ .44 MAG; Baynative; bgill; bitt; ...

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17 posted on 03/11/2023 8:43:58 AM PST by bitt (<img src=' 'width=50%>)
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To: SunkenCiv
But did the Yamnayans have properly fitting equestrian helmets to fit all their ethnic minority hair? Was there Yamnayan superiority and systemic racism in their equestrian helmets?

NY Times Discovers New Source of Racism-And this could be the most absurd one yet.

18 posted on 03/11/2023 8:48:42 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (There is lots of money and power in Green Communism and we all know where Communism ends.)
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To: SunkenCiv
I am really surprised at the 3,100 BC date.

That is only a couple thousand years before Socrates and Aristotle were creating Western Civilization in Greece with an Indo-European language.

Also, agriculture began in that general area about 10,000 years ago. Hard to believe that resident farmers did not instantly see that horses could pull a plow.

19 posted on 03/11/2023 8:54:37 AM PST by zeestephen (43,000)
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To: SunkenCiv

Cossack Cavalry Charge

22 posted on 03/11/2023 9:34:02 AM PST by bunkerhill7 (nyc is not there. )
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To: SunkenCiv

https://ehive.com/collections/5946/objects/806971/beccles-damaris-26652

This is a record/photo of my uncle’s champion Suffolk Punch - .


23 posted on 03/11/2023 9:40:02 AM PST by sodpoodle (Life is prickly, carry tweezers.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I’ve always imagined the first person to ride a horse as some surly 12 year old who was sent out in the cold and snow to milk the mare. “Screw it,” he said, as he turned over the wooden pail, and impulsively jumped on the horse’s back. Startled, the horse took off, with the kid barely holding on by the mane. Then, “Wooot!”


24 posted on 03/11/2023 9:58:10 AM PST by nicollo ("I said no!")
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To: SunkenCiv

You just gotta know that the first attempt to ride a horse went like this:

Dude 1: Big fast beast. Bet you can’t ride it.
Dude 2: Here, hold my beer and watch this.

I suspect we can trace the existence of beer back through all the wild crazy stuff humans have done throughout history and pre-history.


28 posted on 03/11/2023 12:09:13 PM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: SunkenCiv

So it took 7000 years to go from hunting and eating horses to riding them...
Clan of the Cave Bear was a tad early...

[Assuming the last glaciation was about 12k yrs ago...]


31 posted on 03/11/2023 2:57:41 PM PST by Adder (ALL Democrats are the enemy. NO QUARTER!!)
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To: Fred Nerks
The Yamana. There they go again Fred, revealing your old haunts. There you are 3rd from the right.


33 posted on 03/11/2023 6:01:04 PM PST by Candor7 ( ( Ask not for whom THE Trump trolls...He trolls for thee!))
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To: SunkenCiv; Bonemaker; blam; DoughtyOne; All

Decades ago I saw a National Geographic article about examination of a 50 foot tall village mound in Bulgaria. The oldest pottery was bright and colorfull with a happy mood. Around 5000 years ago the pottery changed to a dull earth color, although well formed. My immediate reaction, was “Wow, sommbody sure rained on that parade. My conclusion was that this society had been conquered and the fate of the women was great misery for centuries thereafter. Historically it has been suggested that around this time a formerly women respecting culture had been overthrown by a strongly patriarcal culture in many places in Eurasia and the middle east.

My son recently had his genes analyzed. It was a well known service, but not the one that includes Neanderthal figures. This service also offered information on parents. My mother’s parents came from East Prussia in the 1880s or 90s. My grandmother was from the Prussian pettit nobility and I have a German geneology paper going back to the 1700s, which I can’t read. My report indicated about 40% genes from Baltic and German sources, but from 6 to 9% from far, far east. My assumption was perhaps conquerers from the Golden Hoard, but who knows, perhaps much earlier. Presumably the Prussian pettit nobility would have included conquerers in the blood line. One of these days I’ll have to do my own DNA, the one that does Neanderthal. My 2 upper lateral incisors have “shoveling” which I have read is a Neanderthal trait, also very large molars.


34 posted on 03/11/2023 6:01:56 PM PST by gleeaikin (Question authority!)
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To: SunkenCiv

I should get that genealogy done some day also. It does
interest me.


36 posted on 03/11/2023 6:39:04 PM PST by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the USofA & to the Constitutional REPUBLIC for? which it stands.)
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