Posted on 05/05/2023 8:12:02 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
Police videos
“It was me! I need a tourniquet!”
We’re now learning more about a situation when a Hobart-Lawrence officer’s gun went off, shooting him in the leg during a police chase.
Police released footage from Officer Samuel Schroeder’s body and dash cameras from early December.
Officers were asked to check on a person’s welfare. Officer Schroeder pulled that person over after a short pursuit, then was hurt when his gun fired. The video shows him falling to the ground shortly after a gun goes off.
A closer inspection of the video shows Officer Schroeder’s finger was inside the trigger guard. Hobart-Lawrence Police Chief Michael Renkas tells our sister station WISN Officer Schroeder couldn’t explain that but denied doing anything outside his training. Renkas said the gun was inspected by Nelson Tactical in Green Bay, which couldn’t find any problem with the gun and couldn’t reproduce the gun firing without using the trigger.
Chief Renkas wrote, “We do not have video of the moment the firearm was discharged; however, the possibility of the discharge being a result of handling the weapon is a consideration.”
The gun is a SIG Sauer -- a company facing lawsuits from wounded officers in several states claiming the gun goes off by itself. Hobart-Lawrence police officers received new Staccato P pistols this year.
In December, the police department told us Officer Schroeder was a 7-year veteran of the department and was expected to make a full recovery.
Guy was just trying to get out of his car....
I don't have an issue with modern striker fired pistols with at least a 4 1/2 lb trigger pull not having a safety.
But I'd never carry a 1911 with a 2 1/2 lb trigger without having a safety.
Revolvers with a 10+ lb double action trigger pull weren't a problem (except for the Barneys of the world...)
But to your point, some informal studies have shown that if an officer loses control of his weapon, if the firearm has a safety then it takes longer for the perp to figure out how to fire it.
My point is this idiot with a badge was doing a welfare check on someone who had not committed a crime yet he was prepared to shoot and kill that same person as is evidenced by his hand on the pistol, his finger on the trigger, safety off, and a round in the chamber.
Was it racially motivated. For instance, was he black? Has there been calls for riots?
“4 1/2 lb trigger pull”
That’s a light pull actually. When a holster presses on the trigger, that is easy to actuate the trigger by pushing on the gun. It is one of the reasons for some of the holstered discharges.
Well he did shoot himself in the leg like the cop haters want.
Barney?
Tragically, a welfare check on an Emotionally Disturbed Person (EDP) is likely the most dangerous situation many law enforcement officers will face. There are so many videos online but you can't watch even a handful as they go sideways with horrific consequences.
Hmmm...the article does not say if the trigger pull weight had been modified or not. Very common mod, and if overdone it can easily result in a hair trigger. Damning evidence/optics if there is a questionable shoot/discharge. Most semi autos have a decocker nowadays rather than a Safety, and that allows loading a round into the chamber with the ability to decock the weapon for carry. This makes a DA trigger pull, which is often twice the weight of a SA pull, necessary to fire.
That should be funny bit it isn’t because it’s too close to true.
New addition to training manual and regime:
“Keep your booger-picker off the bang switch, and out of the bang switch corral.”
Gotta use the recognized vernacular in effective training scenarios.
For everyone that says a manual safety would have prevented this, I ask how? If the officer was going to put his hand on his weapon, isn’t it likely he would also take it off safe since he was thinking he may need it?
Mine is equally stupid. Dropped a 45 and it shot me in the left leg. Blew shin bone in two. 10 weeks later i am still doing PT and making the transition away from a crutch. I have a new appreciation for being shot in the leg. Im not a cop, and I didnt stay at holiday inn last night. Just another dummy. Lol
They normally don't cycle off the safety until pointing the weapon at the intended target. The statistics for negligent discharges with weapons that have a safety versus without a safety point toward far fewer negligent discharges with a gun with a safety.
Now, whether that's the design of the gun or the accompanied training with it...
So true.
Police violence against the most vulnerable people in our community as police office shoots random person in leg then claiming he did nothing wrong since the officer followed all department training guidelines. We stand together with all vulnerable people demanding the police address disproportionately elevated violence by the police.
Can ya imagine the grief this cop will take in the squad room for years??
I guess I’m just old school. I could never figure out why a trigger safety was a “safety”.
Yep. The Sig again. What does the Sig cult have to say?
I’m partial to DA/SA autoloaders myself. Safe as a revolver.
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