Posted on 05/25/2023 9:35:00 PM PDT by CDR Kerchner
No it doesn't, and as James Madison wrote: "Had we undertaken to define everything we would have written a digest of laws and not a constitution."
It is expected that people at the time understood what it meant, and they did. It wasn't until later that people got confused as to what Natural Born Citizen means. A lot of that confusion is the fault of William Rawle who lied about what it meant in his famous book "A View of the Constitution."
As a practical matter, nobody stopped Obama or Kamala Harris with their foreign-born parents, from being president and vice president.
They didn't stop the Democrats from stealing the 2020 election by rigging the swing states either, but that doesn't make it right.
Nobody knows the law, because it emanates from the whim of judges and how they feel that morning. It is completely botched and unpredictable until a bunch of them get together and "decide" what the law means, whether it really means what they say or not. Then it only means that until their next whim when they decide it means something else.
It is not surprising that the movement failed when much of the team were legal keystone cops.
Same thing appears to have happened with the vote fraud issues in 2020, but that does not make them any less real.
I have seen enough garbage legal decisions in my life to realize judges are just @$$holes with power and as often as not they are just wrong and as often as not they are stupid and incompetent.
Judges are to law what witch doctors are to medicine. They put on a big show and pretend they are doing good.
You mean the state that will give you a birth certificate even when you aren't born there? As far as I know, it's the only state in the Union that does that, so no, a notice in the paper does not actually prove Obama was born there.
The evidence I've seen makes it more probable that he was born in Vancouver Canada, and not Hawaii.
Listen closely to the tape. The family didn’t say he was born in Kenya. That was something the interviewer wanted them to say. He jumped in and acted like his “grandmother” agreed when she hadn’t.
It’s also not been established that he went to Occidental as a foreign student. In the Seventies and Eighties, an “African-American” student who went to prep school was a much biger haul than an Indonesian or a Kenyan.
This is exactly right. She didn't speak English and the interviewer asked her a leading question to which she initially replied "yes."
I think the question was something along the lines of "do you remember when Obama was born..... here in Kenya?
Very dishonest interviewer and then he wouldn't let her take it back once it was explained to her better.
Is the interview and interpretation disputed when Sarah Obama said, “Obama passed through her hands” regarding Barack Hussein Obama II/Jr? You do know what that phrase means in their tribal culture as to birth circumstances, don’t you? See: https://www.calameo.com/books/005755142b5ae45ff1ee4
What post founding era President in U.S. history has had so many people all over the world saying at various time that Barack Hussein Obama II/Jr was “born in Kenya” or “Kenyan born”? See some examples in this list: https://www.scribd.com/doc/53259902/What-U-S-Pres-in-History-Has-Multiple-Sources-in-Foreign-Country-Saying-He-Was-Born-There
If I were a Kenyan official, I would gladly say that the head of the then most powerful country in the world had been born in Kenya. If I were a publisher, I might say the same thing, but the costs and difficulty of a pregnant woman flying off to Kenya to meet her new husband’s other wife and White-hating father were probably prohibitive for a student couple or the wife’s middle class parents back in 1961.
US Courts recognize US vWong Kim Ark as precedent for natural born citizens born in the US.
Obama, Haley, Harris, Rubio and Jindal are all covered by it, Cruz is questionable although several courts ruled him eligible.
She set up a foundation to care for orphans.
She wasn’t a midwife.
The owner of the literary agency said Obama probably did not write his own bio,
“Acton, who spoke to Breitbart News by telephone, confirmed precise details of the booklet and said that it cost the agency tens of thousands of dollars to produce.”
“He indicated that while ‘almost nobody’ wrote his or her own biography, the non-athletes in the booklet, whom ‘the agents deal[t] with on a daily basis,’ were ‘probably’ approached to approve the text as presented.”
The editor of the bio said Obama never said he was born in Kenya.
“This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me—an agency assistant at the time,” Goderich wrote in an emailed statement to Yahoo News. “There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. I hope you can communicate to your readers that this was a simple mistake and nothing more.””
Prior to the pamphlet, Obama was interviewed by the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times and the Chicago Tribune all say he was born in Hawaii.
“Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii.”
https://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/06/us/first-black-elected-to-head-harvard-s-law-review.html
“Born in Hawaii, where his parents met in college, Obama was named Barack (blessed in Arabic) after his father.”
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-03-12-vw-74-story.html
“Born in Hawaii to the late Barack Obama, once a finance minister in Kenya, and Ann Dunham, an American anthropologist, Obama went to Columbia University before moving to Chicago to work as a community organizer.”
Has there ever been any doubt who the Corporate Propaganda talking heads shill for?
https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/3509570/posts?page=1
A Tale of Two Countries: A Brief History of Barack Obama’s Conflicting Birth Narratives
There are many legal scholars who agree with your position, conversely there are also many who agree with mine. This question will only be resolved by SCOTUS.
Good afternoon.
Methinks it was Hillary’s lawyer who did the initial research and “broke” the news in the Philadelphia Inquirer. Stan Greenberg.
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Phillip Greenberg.
Brain fart.
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Well that's because they worship the idea of "precedent" I suppose because they don't have to actually weigh facts or think for themselves.
Wong Kim Ark was about whether a Chinese man could be a citizen despite the US treaty with China that prohibited it.
Everyone has since tried to pretend it applies to the qualifications for president, but that was not at all the question before the court, and this was back during a time when courts were actually more competent than they are now.
I noticed you dropped out of our last discussion on this matter. I thought you had ceased being interested in the topic.
Did he say this years before Obama was famous, or did he say it when liberal people like him would very willingly lie their @$$es off to help "President" Obama?
I will not believe anything they say unless it is a statement against interest.
Prior to the pamphlet, Obama was interviewed by the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times and the Chicago Tribune all say he was born in Hawaii.
The provable evidence tends to indicate he was born in White Rock Canada. I have yet to see anything that is good evidence that he was born in Hawaii. The fake birth certificate he put forth makes it even more likely he wasn't.
You don't fake up a document like that unless you must.
In 1898 when the Wong case was decided, it was assumed it made him eligible to be president.
For example, the Government’s appellant brief specifically said the lower district court erred when it ruled Wong a “natural born citizen.” But the district court judge never used that term. Like Justice Gray, he ruled Wong a citizen of the United States.
The Chief Justice dissented and said the majority opinion was based on the English Common Law rule and made children born in the US to Chinese parents eligible to be president.
William Dameron Guthrie, a prominent lawyer who had argued that income taxes were unconstitutional before the same Supreme Court, wrote that the majority’s opinion made children born in the United States to Chinese parents eligible to be President.
Government Appellant brief:
Chief Justice Fuller dissenting opinion:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/169/649
William Dameron Guthrie (Comment on Wong Kim Ark appears on page 57):
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