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0:00 · hello and welcome to world history
0:02 · encyclopedia my name is Kelly and today
0:04 · I'm joined by Dr Bob Breyer also known
0:07 · as Mr mummy Dr Breyer is one of the
0:10 · foremost experts on mummies and
0:12 · egyptology
0:13 · he has investigated some of the world's
0:16 · most famous mummies including Ramesses
0:18 · the Great and King Tutankhamun and today
0:21 · we're going to ask him all about his new
0:24 · book Tutankhamun and the tomb that
0:26 · changed the world published by Oxford
0:28 · University press
0:30 · foreign
0:31 · [Music]
0:38 · thank you so much for joining me today
0:40 · Bob
0:41 · are we glad to be here
· Tell us all about your book!
0:43 · um let's just get right into it do you
0:45 · want to tell us a bit about what your
0:46 · book is all about yeah I did the book
0:49 · with a very specific purpose
0:51 · most people know the story of the
0:53 · discovery of two tank arm and it's one
0:54 · of these stories that people love to
0:55 · hear again and again and again of the
0:57 · impoverished archaeologist Howard Carter
1:00 · hooks up with a wealthy Lord carnarvon
1:03 · and they make the discovery of the
1:04 · century I mean people are familiar with
1:06 · that
1:07 · um what a lot of people don't realize is
1:09 · that research has been going on since
1:11 · then meaning okay so it takes 10 years
1:14 · to excavate the tomb there are so many
1:16 · Treasures in it they're so fragile they
1:18 · have to be preserved um so after 10
1:20 · years everything is sent to the Egyptian
1:22 · Museum in Cairo
1:24 · placed in cases on display and people
1:26 · think that's where the story ends but it
1:29 · doesn't
1:30 · since since all those objects have been
1:32 · sent to the Egyptian Museum in Cairo
1:34 · there have been loads of research
1:35 · projects on the objects and we're
1:37 · finding out things about two tank almond
1:39 · all the time so the reason I wrote this
1:41 · book is to show people how much new
1:43 · we've learned about two tank common what
1:45 · research looks like when you're doing
1:46 · research on a dead pharaoh and things
1:49 · like that so I want people to see that
1:50 · there's high-tech stuff going on about
1:52 · two Tech common all the time and our
1:54 · view of him is changing quite a bit
· Is the book about the mummy of Tutankhamun?
1:56 · wow so you're working on are you working
1:59 · on like the mummy itself as well in this
2:01 · book or do you just talk about some of
2:02 · the artifacts or what kind of
2:04 · the answer is yes yeah we're doing all
2:08 · of that Kelly
2:09 · um I I my specialty is mummies I'm I'm a
2:13 · specialist with my you know most
2:14 · egyptologists have Specialists some guys
2:16 · are the translators other guys are
2:18 · excavators and mine is mummies you know
2:20 · so when when an interesting mummy is
2:22 · found on an excavation sometimes I'm
2:24 · called in to work on the mummies um one
2:26 · of my interesting things about about
2:27 · touch the interest started when I
2:29 · examined the fetuses of two tank arm and
2:31 · you know there were two fetuses little
2:33 · mummified fetuses found in Tutankhamun's
2:35 · tomb his wife he was a teenager when he
2:37 · died he dies at the age of 19 and his
2:39 · wife is about 19 when he dies also
2:41 · they're both teenagers both his wife
2:43 · Uncle Sam and had two miscarriages two
2:45 · little girls and they were mummified
2:47 · they were in the Tomb and and they
2:49 · disappeared for years they were put in
2:50 · storage
2:51 · um and it took me a couple of years to
2:53 · find them but I found them so I examined
2:54 · the fetuses I talk a little bit about
2:56 · that but more I talk about the mummy of
2:58 · Tutankhamun himself
2:59 · um because some things that were said
3:01 · about the mummy there's been a lot of
3:03 · research done
3:04 · um things about the mummy I think are
3:06 · wrong and I wanted to correct the record
3:08 · I want them to say for example
3:10 · um it's generally accepted now I think I
3:13 · think that two tank common had a club
3:15 · foot
3:16 · in uh the 19 about 10 years ago two
3:19 · tekam was cat scanned and many of the
3:22 · researchers thought that the cat scan
3:23 · showed that he had a club foot and then
3:25 · suggested that he walked on the side of
3:27 · his foot so he would have been a
3:28 · disabled Pharaoh
3:30 · um and and that's generally been
3:32 · accepted but when I started going back
3:34 · and looking at the records looking at
3:35 · the CAT scans and everything it looks
3:37 · like he wasn't a disabled Pharaoh he
3:39 · didn't have a club foot
3:40 · um and I'm not alone in thinking that
3:42 · but I'm alone in saying it right now
3:44 · um even for example you know one thing
3:47 · that started me wondering was too Tech
3:49 · almond if you had a club foot he'd been
3:51 · examined by two anatomists The Mummy had
3:53 · been examined by two anatomists before
3:55 · the the CAT scans and they never noticed
3:57 · anything unusual about his ankle for
3:59 · example or so it puzzled me and then
4:02 · when I looked at the CAT scan it wasn't
4:04 · clear that he had a club foot then I
4:05 · thought what about his feet that is the
4:07 · lower limbs would be disfigured also
4:09 · because if you walk on the side of your
4:10 · foot it's going to affect the lower
4:12 · bones of your legs the tibian fibula and
4:15 · and they're normal they're perfectly
4:16 · normal even the pelvis would be changed
4:18 · you know how it is if you have a little
4:19 · limp even the pelvis is going to be
4:21 · affected you know and that's why people
4:22 · have to have hip replacements
4:24 · um and he didn't have any of that and
4:26 · and further when I started looking at
4:27 · his shoes there were about two dozen
4:30 · shoes buried with him in the Tomb his
4:32 · shoes yeah yeah well you had to take it
4:34 · to the next World right he had his
4:35 · sandals he had gold sandals he had
4:37 · um but but his shoes are perfectly
4:39 · symmetrical too and if you walked on the
4:41 · side of your foot dragging it certainly
4:43 · the shoes would be worn out so all of
4:46 · the evidence really changed it
4:47 · completely when I looked at the mummy
4:49 · and it now seems to me as if he was a
4:51 · perfectly healthy teenager
4:53 · that's incredible so you're sort of
4:58 · restarting the story of Tutankhamun from
5:01 · what we thought we knew yeah and you
5:03 · know Kelly it has a deeper
5:05 · um effect also because everybody felt
5:07 · well since he's a fragile Pharaoh
5:10 · um he certainly couldn't have gone off
5:11 · to war
5:12 · but then that changes that and as a
5:14 · matter of fact recently there have been
5:16 · some blocks discovered from
5:17 · Tutankhamun's Mortuary Temple where he
5:19 · was worshiped after he died and they
5:21 · show him a battle at War so I think he
5:24 · may have actually gone into war and for
5:26 · example another bit of research on
5:27 · Tutankhamun is there was a suit of armor
5:29 · was buried with him and people don't
5:31 · know that it was it was in terrible
5:33 · condition it was leather it's like um
5:36 · leather scales that are that are cut out
5:38 · and they're all sewn together to form
5:39 · like an armor and it was in terrible
5:42 · condition it degraded a bit leather
5:44 · degrades over the thousands of years
5:46 · and nobody wanted to work on it touch it
5:48 · but recently some experts have been
5:50 · working on it and restoring it and it
5:51 · looks like it not only did he have a
5:53 · suit of armor but it didn't warn to show
5:55 · signs of aware so I think I have a
5:57 · chapter in the book on two tank common
5:58 · as a warrior that he may have been a
6:00 · warrior and that's changing things so
6:02 · these are the kinds of things that I do
6:03 · in the book
· Do we know how King Tutankhamun died?
6:05 · yeah that's incredible because I mean if
6:06 · you spend you know we all think one
6:08 · thing about him and you've you know
6:10 · looked at shoes you've looked at bones
6:11 · and now suddenly it's a completely new
6:12 · narrative yeah do we do we know I don't
6:15 · know a whole lot about Tutankhamun do we
6:17 · know how he died and whether has that
6:19 · changed with your research no we don't
6:22 · know uh we really don't know how he died
6:24 · um there's no obvious cause of death
6:27 · um for example I wrote a book about oh
6:30 · it must be 20 years ago now called the
6:32 · murder of Tutankhamun which was based on
6:34 · X-rays of Tutankhamun skull which showed
6:37 · what looked like a blow to the back of
6:38 · the head
6:39 · and I thought this might be an Evidence
6:42 · of murder now why do I jump to say
6:43 · murder you could have fallen off its
6:45 · Chariot or anything but when when he
6:47 · died his widow ankasanaman the Teenage
6:50 · Queen
6:51 · write the strangest letter in Egyptian
6:53 · history she writes to the enemy King to
6:56 · the head-eyed king a great name
6:59 · um writes to him and says and she says
7:01 · and we have the letter you know we have
7:02 · records she says my husband has died I
7:05 · have no Sons they say you have many send
7:08 · me one of your sons and I will marry him
7:10 · and make him king of Egypt never will I
7:12 · marry a servant of mine I'm afraid and
7:15 · what was the queen afraid of you know
7:16 · and but she disappears from history so
7:18 · it really sounded like he was murdered
7:20 · there were enemies lurking around
7:22 · um but but the CAT scan showed to be
7:24 · fair that there was no blow the lack of
7:26 · head the X-ray was not good enough the
7:28 · casket so we don't know how he died so I
7:30 · can't say nope I can't jump up and down
7:32 · and say murder murder
7:33 · um but he dies at the age of 19. it
7:35 · could have been an infection
7:37 · um we think he had malaria from blood
7:39 · tests we can tell so so he could have
7:41 · even died from malaria um so we just
7:43 · don't know how to jack up and dies at
7:45 · the age of 19.
· Why did you decide to write this book on Tutankhamun and his tomb?
7:46 · wow such a mystery especially knowing so
7:49 · much about him and having so much of his
7:51 · personal effects and stuff not even not
7:53 · knowing how he dies is like a such an
7:55 · important part of his story
7:58 · almost annoying that we don't know that
8:01 · um
8:02 · so you've said you've worked on lots of
8:04 · mummies that's your specialty why did
8:06 · you decide to write this book about
8:08 · Tutankhamun and the things found in his
8:11 · in his tomb sure well this is the 100th
8:13 · anniversary of the discovery of the Tomb
8:15 · so there's been a lot of interest in two
8:17 · tank common but also along with that
8:20 · there's a new museum being built in
8:22 · Cairo called the Grand Egyptian Museum
8:24 · and all of two tank Common's objects are
8:28 · being moved from the old Museum in Cairo
8:30 · out to Giza to the new Museum so while
8:32 · they're coming out of the cases there's
8:34 · been all this new research and being
8:36 · able to get our hands on objects
8:37 · actually see them touch them you know
8:39 · take photograph them so there's so much
8:41 · more information now because of this
8:44 · 100th anniversary and the grand Museum
8:45 · that you know there's just so much stuff
8:47 · coming out that I thought would be
8:48 · interesting to tell people about it
8:50 · did you go into this book with the idea
8:53 · that you would be writing something
8:55 · brand new or did you think that it would
8:57 · just be like an updated version of
8:58 · things that we already knew no I thought
9:00 · I had new information I knew that there
9:02 · were these new researchers and I had
9:04 · done a little bit of research so no I
9:05 · thought there'd be new things actually
9:07 · there were more new things than I
9:08 · thought
9:09 · um you know finding out things that that
9:10 · when I started putting pieces together I
9:13 · was surprised for example
9:15 · um one of the things that we knew about
9:17 · Howard Carter is it he took things from
9:19 · the tomb and didn't return them on shame
9:22 · on him but um he wasn't interested in
9:24 · selling them it wasn't for profit or
9:26 · anything like that but he sort of had
9:27 · this feeling almost that he owned the
9:29 · tomb
9:30 · um remember this is 1922 when it's
9:32 · discovered and England is ruling Egypt
9:34 · it's a colonial situation so in a sense
9:37 · he is in charge so so he's taking things
9:39 · and he's giving them to friends the
9:40 · Souvenirs of the Tomb so I started
9:42 · researching that and we knew that we
9:44 · knew that and I found letters
9:46 · that that
9:47 · egyptologist has written about Carter
9:49 · thinking taking things and they were
9:51 · kind of shocking uh really surprising
9:53 · the the extent to which Carter took
9:55 · things and the sort of um feeling of
9:57 · entitlement almost I mean for example
9:59 · the seals through the tomb the the the
10:01 · walls were sealed with the necropolis
10:04 · Seal of the of the nine jackals and it's
10:06 · pretty impressive Stills and he gave
10:08 · them away he gave them to Sir Alan
10:10 · Gardner who was an egyptologist and
10:12 · Gardner gave them to his kids so this is
10:13 · what's happening yeah yeah so there's
10:15 · more much more and even even there were
10:17 · there were necklaces that that
10:18 · disappeared and appeared in museums
10:20 · around the world also I discovered that
10:23 · he was really doing more more pilfering
10:25 · than we thought you know we knew that it
10:27 · happened but this was more than I
10:28 · thought so I discovered quite a few
10:30 · things that that I didn't know uh so
10:32 · that's half the fun of doing a book you
10:34 · know you you do the research and then
10:35 · you make discoveries and it's exciting
10:40 · I mean that just makes me think of um
10:42 · Heinrich schliemann with you know the
10:44 · Prime's treasure you know he had his
10:45 · wife wear the incredible necklace and
10:47 · headdress and you're thinking
10:50 · how is that how you know us now in you
10:53 · know the modern day we would never dream
10:56 · of doing anything even you know putting
10:58 · it on a person
10:59 · let alone taking it and giving it to
11:01 · someone else's kids
11:03 · right you are I mean no no I mean we'd
11:06 · all be wearing white gloves and making
11:07 · sure we don't contaminate the objects or
11:09 · no these were different times they were
11:11 · really really really different times
· What was something fascinating or surprising that you found out?
11:13 · blows my mind it really does
11:16 · um so would you say that was the most
11:18 · surprising thing when you were
11:19 · researching and working on the book or
11:20 · was there something else that really
11:21 · fascinated or surprised it surprised you
11:23 · whilst working on it well I'll tell you
11:25 · truth there were quite a few things that
11:26 · surprised me one thing one chapter I
11:28 · really loved that was a lot of fun doing
11:29 · I think is called it came from outer
11:32 · space
11:33 · now I don't know if you guys have this
11:35 · in the UK but we have this Dreadful show
11:37 · called Ancient Aliens
11:40 · um it's a show it's a series it's a TV
11:42 · show which talks about how the Ancient
11:44 · Aliens came to earth years ago and and
11:47 · stuff like it's Dreadful
11:49 · um and so I I decided I had to call my
11:51 · my chapter it came from outer space but
11:53 · I think a lot of people are going to be
11:54 · disappointed it doesn't deal with
11:56 · Ancient Aliens there are no spacecrafts
11:58 · discussed
12:00 · um but some of the objects in two tank
12:01 · Common's tomb did in fact come from
12:03 · outer space now you're wondering I could
12:06 · see a little puzzle look on your face
12:08 · um
12:09 · there was no iron in Egypt Egypt did not
12:12 · have iron it had copper and it had tin
12:15 · and it could make bronze which is a
12:16 · combination of copper and Tin but it
12:18 · didn't have iron right into the comments
12:20 · time
12:21 · but there were five or six iron objects
12:24 · found in two Tech Commons tomb now where
12:27 · did they come from they're meteoritic
12:29 · they were made out of meteorites so
12:31 · meteorites landed there came and then
12:34 · somebody pounded out these objects from
12:35 · them and some were quite beautiful it's
12:37 · a beautiful dagger an iron dagger that
12:39 · was to attack I was buried with with a
12:41 · rock crystal handle and it's just
12:43 · beautiful and it's made out of
12:44 · meteoritic iron
12:45 · um and he had other objects too and I
12:48 · think these were very very magical
12:49 · objects because they were so precious
12:51 · because they didn't have iron so he was
12:52 · buried with six or so meteorite iron so
12:55 · that's kind of interesting also see for
12:57 · example one doesn't make any sense at
12:58 · ultimate he had a set of chisels now
13:01 · when I say chisels I mean like workman's
13:03 · chisels they're wooden handles with
13:05 · metal bits made out of meteoritic iron
13:07 · and then not particularly fancy they're
13:10 · not worthy of a king they almost look
13:12 · like they were a workmans that forgotten
13:13 · behind in the Tomb or something but they
13:15 · were there in the Tomb so it's kind of
13:17 · curious most of the objects are precious
13:18 · I mean there's a little Amulet of an eye
13:21 · there's a there's a there's a you know
13:22 · because a beautiful pectoral thing but
13:24 · but this this chisel set puzzles me I
13:27 · don't know why he had it he wouldn't
13:28 · have used it in real life I'm sure he
13:30 · didn't do his own chiseling you know he
13:31 · had people within the form but so there
13:33 · were lots of things discovered you know
13:35 · in the Tomb that are kind of interesting
13:36 · that I found you know all kinds of fun
13:38 · things discovered amazing and would it
13:41 · be plausible to think that that chisel
13:43 · set was left behind by someone because I
13:45 · know that he died you know unexpectedly
13:46 · because he was so young and the tomb was
13:48 · sort of put together quickly and I'm
13:50 · pretty sure parts of it were you know
13:52 · something was reused from an earlier
13:53 · thing or from someone else's
13:56 · um
13:57 · is that plausible that maybe a builder
13:59 · did just leave it in there I think so I
14:01 · think so I think that there was a there
14:03 · must have been a rush to bury him you
14:05 · know you he's mummified they didn't get
14:08 · him in the Tomb and and all the
14:10 · Craftsmen in the country almost were
14:11 · working on these things for two Tech
14:13 · almonds to them you have to prayer they
14:14 · only had 70 days because the Pharaoh has
14:17 · to be buried in 70 days that was a
14:18 · religious ritual so they've got to get
14:20 · all these things all these Treasures so
14:21 · they're even borrowing things from other
14:23 · tombs they're taking things from out of
14:24 · other tombs Royal tombs putting them in
14:26 · there things like that um and the
14:28 · repurposing things so for example his
14:30 · sarcophagus that is buried in the the
14:32 · rectangular box I mean you know that's
14:34 · that was that was redone from somebody
14:36 · else's and even the lid lid is made of a
14:39 · different Stone so that the lid cracked
14:41 · they tried to fix it they had to do
14:42 · another lid so there's all kinds of
14:44 · indications of haste and I think these
14:47 · chips may have been just left behind by
14:48 · the workmen you know let's get out of
14:50 · here boys we're done and you'll notice
14:52 · you've got a set of chisels
· Was everything documented when the tomb was excavated?
14:54 · wow it's incredible is that especially
14:59 · because they're moving all of the things
15:00 · from one Museum to the other yes have
15:03 · this have there been things that have
15:04 · turned up that you didn't even know
15:07 · were found 100 years ago were the things
15:09 · that weren't documented that had
15:12 · everything was documented fairly
15:14 · carefully Harman Carter when he did the
15:16 · excavation set new standards for
15:19 · excavators
15:20 · he's the first one I believe who
15:22 · photographs everything in situ in the
15:25 · Tomb before it's moved so that we have a
15:27 · complete record of what did it look like
15:28 · when he discovered it so every object
15:30 · has a little number on it they have a
15:31 · little card they'll put a number in
15:32 · front of it they photograph everything
15:33 · so we know everything that was in the
15:36 · two pretty pretty well pretty well so no
15:38 · big big surprise of oh we didn't know
15:39 · about that but what did happen over the
15:42 · course of the years not everything was
15:43 · put on exhibition in the Cairo Museum
15:46 · some were put in the store rooms for
15:48 · example the chisels nobody was
15:49 · interested in the show they want to
15:51 · store them so a lot of things went went
15:53 · missing temporarily they were in store
15:55 · rooms they were put away so when
15:56 · everything is going over to the Grand
15:58 · Museum this new grand Egyptian museum
15:59 · there are things that were discovered
16:01 · like for example I had never known about
16:03 · the armor the suit of armor that he was
16:05 · buried because that wasn't on display
16:06 · because it's in poor condition or for
16:08 · example one thing that's been examined
16:10 · now he had something like 30 40 pairs of
16:12 · shoes that he that he went to the next
16:14 · World with and they're really quite
16:16 · interesting and so a separate study has
16:18 · been made of the shoes and there's so
16:20 · many need I mean you'd love it um he had
16:22 · sandals lots of sandals now he was
16:24 · buried with sandals on his feet
16:26 · they were gold solid gold
16:29 · now they're not
16:32 · usable they're not practical gold is
16:34 · very soft though
16:36 · um these were his sandals for eternity
16:38 · gold never tarnishes so for the next
16:42 · World you want things in Gold so he was
16:44 · buried with gold sandals right but he
16:46 · had other sandals that had mosaics on
16:48 · the bottom
16:49 · on the top of the bottom if you know
16:51 · what I mean where his foot would touch
16:53 · and the Mosaic was of captives his
16:55 · enemies so every place he would walk he
16:58 · would step on his enemy you know so you
17:00 · have these bound Assyrians bound Nubians
17:03 · found libyans it shows them all in their
17:05 · native Garb and two tank arm would walk
17:08 · on them wherever he goes you know so he
17:09 · had loads of these sandals and shoes and
17:11 · everything like that and it's kind of
17:12 · interesting to see you know how they
17:14 · made sandals you know by because we're
17:16 · moving these sandals now for the first
17:17 · time at the Museum people can get their
17:18 · hands on who knows about this thing so
17:20 · for example there were Reed sandals made
17:21 · of reeds that are bundled together tied
17:23 · together and they're still beautiful
17:24 · elegant
17:25 · um but they're just made so minutely uh
17:28 · so the loads of things we learn about
17:29 · from this by handling by getting them
17:31 · out of the cases by finding things in
17:32 · the storerooms I mean it's just
17:33 · remarkable what we're finding about that
17:35 · incredible I'm so excited to read your
17:38 · book and it's got new it's got new
17:40 · things and and I do go against
17:42 · um some of the traditional
17:45 · theories about Titan things like that I
17:47 · mean one of the things I talk about also
17:48 · which which is I think kind of
17:50 · interesting is there was this Theory
17:53 · that now two ten Commons tomb is very
17:55 · small just a couple of rooms because
17:57 · they didn't have a long time to build it
17:59 · over 20 30 years so it's very modest in
18:02 · terms of size
18:03 · and one of the theories
18:05 · is that his mother was buried behind the
18:07 · wall she dies first is buried behind the
18:09 · wall and that's plastered over
18:11 · um and and there's been a lot of
18:12 · discussion about this
18:14 · um because when when the when the room
18:16 · 210 comments paintings were very
18:18 · carefully studied recently with Laser
18:21 · Technology so that we can get a really
18:23 · careful
18:24 · um how to say it Topography of the wall
18:26 · we know the bumps in the wall we know
18:27 · everything about the wall now one of the
18:29 · things that's discovered when they did
18:32 · this about the wall right
18:34 · is that there's a part of the wall
18:36 · that's been repainted
18:38 · in modern times in modern times meaning
18:42 · 1920s 1930s
18:45 · now how did that happen right now the
18:48 · answer is the answer is I think I think
18:50 · it's a straightforward answer maybe not
18:52 · Howard Carter was an artist
18:54 · he started his career as a 17 year old
18:58 · artist on an excavation in Egypt and he
19:00 · and he was very good at it but he was
19:02 · also very bright and they realized he
19:03 · had even more Talent than art and he
19:05 · became an excavator and he eventually
19:07 · became a Chief Inspector for the
19:10 · Egyptian Antiquity service so he really
19:11 · had lots of skills but he had this
19:14 · basics in art right he was an artist
19:16 · so what I think happens is the following
19:20 · there is a scene on the wall of
19:22 · Tutankhamun wearing a kilt
19:24 · and this Kilt it was photographed in
19:27 · 1922
19:29 · it has a certain number of pleats it's a
19:31 · pleated Kilt and has a number of pleats
19:33 · stripes on the Kilt
19:35 · 1922. if you look at it today
19:39 · it's got a different number of pleats
19:41 · completely different
19:43 · completely different
19:44 · and what happened really and what
19:46 · happened I think now how does it happen
19:48 · right what's going on
19:50 · I think yeah I think I think not this is
19:54 · this is my suggestion
19:55 · I think when Carter was moving things in
19:57 · and out of the Tomb he damaged the
19:59 · painting
20:00 · and then later he painted over it and
20:04 · it's got this not only did it paint over
20:05 · it though this is kind of cool on the
20:07 · walls of the Tomb is mold
20:11 · ancient mold three thousand year old
20:13 · mold
20:14 · when they buried Tutankhamun
20:16 · they didn't have time to leave the tomb
20:18 · open so the paint could dry
20:20 · so it was still while it still had
20:22 · moisture in it and mold could grow on it
20:24 · so the mold grew on it for maybe a
20:26 · couple of years and then dies so there
20:29 · are mold spots all over the tomb when
20:31 · Howard Carter repainted The Kilt he
20:33 · painted fake mold on it so that it
20:36 · wouldn't look look new so nobody knew
20:38 · about this for like 70 years till a
20:41 · scholar got to look close up at it and
20:43 · he noticed hey there's a different
20:44 · number of stripes on the Kilt so awesome
20:48 · yeah there's all kinds of fun
20:49 · discoveries this is the kind of thing
20:51 · that I like discovering yeah yeah oh
· What is something everyone should know about your book?
20:53 · yeah that is so much fun I think my last
20:56 · question is what is something that you
20:58 · think everybody should know about the
21:00 · topic of your book
21:01 · I think it's the basic thing I think
21:04 · it's that there's loads of new research
21:06 · on 210 common it's evolving and he may
21:09 · not be the boy King who is fragile never
21:12 · went into war any of that all this
21:13 · research is helping us paint a much
21:15 · better picture of two tank almond
21:18 · brilliant thank you so much Bob Now
21:21 · Bob's book will be available to purchase
21:22 · from Oxford University press on October
21:24 · 27th and you'll be able to find a link
21:26 · for it down below thank you so much for
21:28 · joining me today it has been a pleasure
21:29 · talking to you it's been a lot of fun
21:31 · for me Kelly take care
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