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To: SeekAndFind

Something I never understand is why so much of the propaganda against Vlad seems to come from Europe, specifically the Holy Roman Empire.

Vlad was a great enemy of the Turks. The Turks hated him and would certainly want to tell stories about how awful he was. But as far as I know, Turkish sources are not the primary foundation for what we’ve been told about Vlad.

He was a Christian, fighting Islam, trying to preserve his part of Europe from Muslim invasion. And the Holy Roman Empire seems to have hated him for it.

Just seems odd.


2 posted on 10/31/2023 8:40:33 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (They say "Our Democracy" but they mean Cosa Nostra.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Indeed.


5 posted on 10/31/2023 8:45:52 AM PDT by No name given (Anonymous is who you’ll know me as)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Something I never understand is why so much of the propaganda against Vlad seems to come from Europe, specifically the Holy Roman Empire.

He was an adherent to the Eastern rite, which did not acknowledge the supremacy of the Pope. There was no love lost between the sects in the time of the Holy Roman Empire.

10 posted on 10/31/2023 9:33:22 AM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: ClearCase_guy

Vlad fought against the Holy Roman Empire, siding with the Muslims, turning against Mehmed II only after Mehmed demand he partially reimburse the Muslims for warring against the Catholics. Against the HRE, Vlad had made a regular practice of kidnapping children and slow-motion impaling them up the anus. That other bizarre and inventive torture techniques were attributed to him in no way means he was innocent of the horrific war crimes that made his name synonymous with evil even among his coreligionist Orthodox.


11 posted on 10/31/2023 9:58:18 AM PDT by dangus
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To: ClearCase_guy
I had a friend from Romania who told me that Vlad was a Romanian folk hero for having cleansed the country of the criminal element.

It brings to mind some modern-day situations.

15 posted on 10/31/2023 10:22:48 AM PDT by The Duke (Why do I think that the cynicism gene is going to be prevalent in future generations?)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“specifically the Holy Roman Empire”

Well, the Austrians ruled the HRE, and the Austrians also ruled Hungary. And Romania is right on the border of Hungary, in a very key strategic spot, yet the Romanians wanted to remain stubbornly independent instead of acquiescing to Hungarian rule, even as the Ottomans were swallowing up every lord who wouldn’t join the Austrians and Hungarians.


18 posted on 10/31/2023 10:50:55 AM PDT by Boogieman
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