Posted on 11/07/2023 1:37:49 PM PST by marcusmaximus
Start taking your own advice. Think, don't react. Read something more than Utoob videos and propaganda. There are these old things called books. Written by actual historians who do years of research. With footnotes. And pages and pages of bibliography in the back. I won't make it hard on you - try Post War, by Tony Judt. Just that one.
.......Ukraine is being depicted as a “moral crusade”.....
We have seen this before—in Vietnam, the Gulf War, Kosovo, the Iraq War, and Afghanistan.
The watchword for Americans now is: Don’t be fooled again.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/the-american-origins-of-the-russo-ukrainian-war/
Ukrainians don’t have a right to self determination and a sovereign nation? Interestingly, that’s sound a lot like what the Marxist left says about Americans. Now put your thinking cap on and riddle that one out. FRegards.
“The U.S. is also charging Ukraine replacement value”
Charging? Like they expect Ukraine to pay us back? Ha, that’ll be the day,
“Those “relatively modest amounts” add up. It’s a financial death by a thousand cuts.”
Only inside the Beltway is $100 billion plus (and growing) a “modest amount of money”. Another arrogant prick.
The Dems want the kickbacks from the foreign aid.
10% for The Big Guy.
Democrats are thieves.
This shill worked for British defense officials in the UK government for years and years.
Amen! Spot on.
I said from the beginning of this that Russia and Ukraine were two scorpions in a bottle and deserve to kill each other off.
Thousands of illegal aliens are pouring across our southern border every week, God only knows who and what are among them and I’m supposed to care about some Eastern European blood feud?
Not on your life.
Even Iraq which was BS had more of a legit reason than Ukraine.
1.) Ukraine is a civil war. It’s a conflict where the Nationalist in the West and ethnic Russians in the East are fighting. We came in and chose sides (nationalists) because they benefit us most economically and pretend as if our going in and taking over Ukraine is somehow more virtuous than Russia going in and taking over.
2.) Ukraine is literally a war where no one here at home can argue how this impacts their wealth, freedom and safety.
In fact, this war is burning up wealth and making us less safe, may that be with the use of nuclear weapons or Russia inevitably returning the favor and exporting more weapons to folks that want to harm us. In fact, you may already be seeing this as US forces are getting attacked more frequently in Syria and Iraq, with casualties.
Furthermore, the argument of us depleting Russia goes two ways. We are also depleting ourselves and our war stockpiles. Example Israel: https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-israel-artillery-shells-ukraine-weapons-gaza (We robbed Peter to pay Paul) This was the news just 11 months ago: https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-quietly-shipping-ammo-to-ukraine-from-massive-stockpile-in-israel-report/
Finally, because Ukraine is corrupt and a mess, because we have no true accounting for what happens to much of the money and equipment we send there, you today have Hamas bragging about their brand new AT-4 and British NLaw weapons: https://twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee1/status/1716375414036115500
3.) It is a war where reality is the opposite in that it was NOT an unprovoked war. In fact with NATO East expansion, our ignoring Minsk, and withdraw from the Ballistic Missile Treaty, we set the stage for distrust. Our attacking, sponsoring coups and invading nations that are allied or aligned with Russia: Syria, Venezuela, Libya, and Iraq, one can argue we antagonized this conflict to a very high degree.
4.) Not even Ukraine will benefit from this conflict. They already are a broken nation, an economic basket case.
5.) There is zero treaty, zero obligation for us to aid Ukraine.
6.) Ukraine is not a democracy, they have a horrible human rights record, this is a very corrupt nation and they are no more sovereign under our than under Russia’s thumb.
All these “slogans” we throw around are no argument!
You can use these slogans against anyone. Even we have human rights abuses, have an imperfect democracy, and are losing our sovereignty.
7.) But best of all, while we talk about how virtuous we are by starting a war for economic interests as use terms like “sovereignty”, we pressure others to not allow the PRC to build a naval facility in their nation (Solomon Islands) since we see the entire Pacific Rim as ours, just like we had a Monroe Doctrine and see all of Central and South America as our sphere of influence, just like we got bent out of shape because the Soviets were building bases and stationing rockets in Cuba which is further away and has 90 miles of water between us: Cuban Missile Crisis. What would the US do if China or Russia wanted to build military bases in Mexico? And here we are building bases literally all along the Russian border, stripping them of their allies and trading partners by outright invading them under false pretenses (WMD in Iraq was a lie). Can you say Hypocrite?
This war in Ukraine lacks all substance when it comes to a legitimate cause, in terms of practicality (how this will benefit the average American and Ukrainian), but it is the first war where EVERYONE is in agreement because you have near total media control.
The author of this article should get a promotion and medal:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero_of_Labour_(GDR)
This isn’t news as nothing was new and all he did was string together a bunch of slogans no differently than in the East during the Cold War where they would defend their ridiculous position by calling us names and pretending they we virtuous as they were invading other countries.
Here’s a simple fact, if you want the moral high ground, you need to have a “just war” and there are some established ideas about what that is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_war_theory
Expansionist and offensive (yes, us expanding NATO all along their border is seen as a threat by them), expeditionary, and economically motivated conflicts hardly ever qualify.
Of course the liberals ignored both the moral and statistical arguments against their beloved programs.
I think it was at that point that the neoconservatives became neocons and shifted to foreign policy. If they couldn't get the left to scale back the US government, then maybe they could get democracy going abroad.
But rather than just being unsuccessful in making things better, they have only made things much worse. The path they paved with good intentions led straight to the hellish world we now live in.
Since when was it ever a good idea to kick hornets' nests?
BTW-
By one year into the war, 214 US citizens that were working as mercenaries died in Ukraine.
Anyone who wants the list, send me a private and I can send it to you.
What the author writes is kinda true, depending on how you look at it.
We are basically paying for these mercenaries, our state department is allowing for easy movement, the DOJ is not discouraging them going (usually we try to stop them), and Ukrainian embassies and consulates are used for open recruitment (some nations have forbidden such, example Austria). So the US government can’t really say they’re not sponsoring this. I suppose that the author of this article will fall back to US casualties being not our citizens, but soldiers with our flag on the shoulder (create some technicality to exclude reality and get the feel good answer he wants).
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