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To: marcusmaximus

Wow they actually removed my comment. Guess it’s getting time to leave here Same as I did when you idiots were pushing for the Iraq war. I guess this is a forum for stupid people only.


5 posted on 11/07/2023 1:47:53 PM PST by jimwatx
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To: jimwatx

Read the article with an open mind.


7 posted on 11/07/2023 1:49:28 PM PST by marcusmaximus
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To: jimwatx

the Zeepers are getting testy as Ukraine collapses.


9 posted on 11/07/2023 1:49:56 PM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: jimwatx

When all you have to offer is insults, that’s what happens.


10 posted on 11/07/2023 1:51:16 PM PST by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: jimwatx
--- "Wow they actually removed my comment."

While I have no idea what you wrote which triggered a moderator to "remove" a comment, something irritated....

The article is not filled with facts, in anything other than the polemical way. It is opinion, masquerading as fact. So looking at the Hudson Institute, one learns that it is three short blocks from the White House, for starters. Nothing like being near to the seat of power.

Details:

Hudson Institute
1201 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Fourth Floor
Washington, DC 20004

Its leadership is doing quite nicely. "JOHN P. WALTERS, PRESIDENT AND CEO, $ 545,542 salary.

Nice work, if you can get it.
Of the 501(c)3 "charity" which pays no income taxes for being "charitable", one learns of the group. Form 990: With "functional expenses" of $22,325,841 on a gross of EOY $ 86,634,994. or about 25 percent of its total assets to pay its staff and benefits.

Source: Hudson Form 990 FY 2022

As to the author, "A native of Missouri, he and his family currently reside in Northern Virginia." He is part of the governmental elite.

Our upper class, deeply involved with the UK as with the US government can be gleaned by reading through Luke Coffey's bio online.

Luke Coffey
My favorite laugher of the "facts" is:
"Fact: The US is not engaged in a proxy war against Russia."
Why?
"The definition of a proxy war is a war 'fought by states acting at the instigation or on behalf of other states'.”
Got that? Because some other nation didn't tell the US to fund the Ukraine-Russia war these last years, it isn't BY DEFINITION a "proxy war."Because were not "acting on behalf of other states." Though, of course, we are.

Word games for the rubes.

Meanwhile....

Debt Clock

Federal Budget Deficit Grew to $2 Trillion in FY 2023 Tax Foundation, 12 October 2023


57 posted on 11/07/2023 2:34:36 PM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: jimwatx

Even Iraq which was BS had more of a legit reason than Ukraine.

1.) Ukraine is a civil war. It’s a conflict where the Nationalist in the West and ethnic Russians in the East are fighting. We came in and chose sides (nationalists) because they benefit us most economically and pretend as if our going in and taking over Ukraine is somehow more virtuous than Russia going in and taking over.

2.) Ukraine is literally a war where no one here at home can argue how this impacts their wealth, freedom and safety.

In fact, this war is burning up wealth and making us less safe, may that be with the use of nuclear weapons or Russia inevitably returning the favor and exporting more weapons to folks that want to harm us. In fact, you may already be seeing this as US forces are getting attacked more frequently in Syria and Iraq, with casualties.

Furthermore, the argument of us depleting Russia goes two ways. We are also depleting ourselves and our war stockpiles. Example Israel: https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-israel-artillery-shells-ukraine-weapons-gaza (We robbed Peter to pay Paul) This was the news just 11 months ago: https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-quietly-shipping-ammo-to-ukraine-from-massive-stockpile-in-israel-report/

Finally, because Ukraine is corrupt and a mess, because we have no true accounting for what happens to much of the money and equipment we send there, you today have Hamas bragging about their brand new AT-4 and British NLaw weapons: https://twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee1/status/1716375414036115500

3.) It is a war where reality is the opposite in that it was NOT an unprovoked war. In fact with NATO East expansion, our ignoring Minsk, and withdraw from the Ballistic Missile Treaty, we set the stage for distrust. Our attacking, sponsoring coups and invading nations that are allied or aligned with Russia: Syria, Venezuela, Libya, and Iraq, one can argue we antagonized this conflict to a very high degree.

4.) Not even Ukraine will benefit from this conflict. They already are a broken nation, an economic basket case.

5.) There is zero treaty, zero obligation for us to aid Ukraine.

6.) Ukraine is not a democracy, they have a horrible human rights record, this is a very corrupt nation and they are no more sovereign under our than under Russia’s thumb.

All these “slogans” we throw around are no argument!

You can use these slogans against anyone. Even we have human rights abuses, have an imperfect democracy, and are losing our sovereignty.

7.) But best of all, while we talk about how virtuous we are by starting a war for economic interests as use terms like “sovereignty”, we pressure others to not allow the PRC to build a naval facility in their nation (Solomon Islands) since we see the entire Pacific Rim as ours, just like we had a Monroe Doctrine and see all of Central and South America as our sphere of influence, just like we got bent out of shape because the Soviets were building bases and stationing rockets in Cuba which is further away and has 90 miles of water between us: Cuban Missile Crisis. What would the US do if China or Russia wanted to build military bases in Mexico? And here we are building bases literally all along the Russian border, stripping them of their allies and trading partners by outright invading them under false pretenses (WMD in Iraq was a lie). Can you say Hypocrite?

This war in Ukraine lacks all substance when it comes to a legitimate cause, in terms of practicality (how this will benefit the average American and Ukrainian), but it is the first war where EVERYONE is in agreement because you have near total media control.


131 posted on 11/08/2023 10:07:04 AM PST by Red6
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