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1 posted on 11/08/2023 5:42:21 AM PST by Red Badger
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https://dailycallernewsfoundation.org/2023/11/07/kevin-oleary-reveals-why-clean-energy-stocks-are-tanking/
“Shark Tank” star Kevin O’Leary said Tuesday that clean energy funds and stocks are dropping because investors realized that clean energy companies can’t make a profit.
2 posted on 11/08/2023 5:46:16 AM PST by Paul46360 (What??ME worry?)
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How much does it cost to replace an internal combustion engine?

Without doing the math I suspect he spent more on replacing the batteries then gasoline would have cost him (and not counting the time to fill - perhaps 15 to 20 minutes compared to the time to recharge the batteries twice a day.)


3 posted on 11/08/2023 5:50:21 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN (I am not an expert in anything, and my opinion is just that, an opinion. I may be wrong.)
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So much for the savings.


4 posted on 11/08/2023 5:50:26 AM PST by Jonty30 (It turns out that I did not buy my cell phone for all the calls I might be missing at home.)
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Reminds me of the case of one of the hybrid models, where the computer essentially shut off the batteries due to the batteries getting dangerous to operate (I think, or maybe the batteries just crapped out, not sure) and thus forced the vehicles to operate as gasoline-only types - which the owners didn’t appreciate.


5 posted on 11/08/2023 5:51:29 AM PST by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart, I just don't tell anyone)
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The econazis are clever, and climate change fear is pervasive.

My progressive son just informed me the other day that even though EVs are inefficient, and as heavy as a ice car and a half, that there is hope!

Battery makers are developing new improved batteries that are lighter, more energy dense, and charge faster.

Yeah, right.


9 posted on 11/08/2023 5:59:01 AM PST by brownsfan (It's going to take real, serious, hard times to wake the American public.)
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The bad news about Tesla was buried: they replaced his battery, but with one that has only a one-year warranty? Not OK.


10 posted on 11/08/2023 5:59:03 AM PST by dangus
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Well, to be fair...my gas-guzzling F150 dies after approx 550 miles.

But then, I refill the gas tank.


16 posted on 11/08/2023 6:13:23 AM PST by moovova ("The NEXT election is the most important election of our lifetimes!“ LOL...)
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“The savings added up to $10,000 since he bought it, which is impressive.”

$10,000 - impressive savings
-$9,000 - new battery cost
- - - - - -
$1,000 - not such impressive savings

I would also like to know how much he spent on the electricity (probably coal plant generated), both on the road AND at home overnight.


19 posted on 11/08/2023 6:20:49 AM PST by moovova ("The NEXT election is the most important election of our lifetimes!“ LOL...)
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"Uber Driver's Tesla Model 3 Battery Dies After 120,000 Miles In 15 Months"

I had forgotten that rechargeable batteries have a limited number of recharges.

21 posted on 11/08/2023 6:25:09 AM PST by Amendment10
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A few lessons to learn from this experience:

1) EV's aren't for everyone. There are some use cases where EV's are good, but not everyone. Do your research before getting one (or for that matter before dissing the idea of getting one).

2) Don't get an EV if most of your charging will be DC fast charging (i.e. this Uber driver, or if you live in an apartment or some other situation where you can't do most of your charging at home with a Level 2 charger).

3) Tesla = expensive. Expecting repairs to be cheap with a Tesla would be like a Porsche owner fussing about repair costs.

4) Don't get an EV unless you need two cars anyway (i.e. married) so that you have an ICE car for the trips/situations that an EV is bad in. (In my case that means pickup chores -- thus the EV is our car not our pickup. Plus I'm sure the day will come when we go on a trip in a direction that has few charging options and use the ICE pickup.)

5) Don't get an EV unless you plan to drive it at least 12K miles per year so that the gas and oil change savings are enough to offset new costs the EV brings. If someone like Trump gets back into the WH and our gas prices go down to year 2019 levels, make it about 15K miles per year. (My wife and I drove our 28K miles in the past 12 months.)

6) Before getting an EV research your regular road trips to make sure most of the road trips you go on have good charging options. Assuming the EV will be your new car and, therefore, the car with the most comfortable drive for road trips, make sure it'll be good for most of your road trips. I.e. my wife and I do a lot of trips from Alabama to east Texas and weekend trips around the southeast and every now and then road trip to the northeast -- all have good charging options perhaps because that part of the country is somewhat densely populated.

7) Think twice before getting an EV if you live in a cold weather state. Ostensibly they've improved the EV tech to do "preconditioning" to warm the batteries before leaving the house and before charging at roadside chargers to make them handle cold weather better. I haven't seen the real world specs for that to see if it's a facade or if it's for real (or if it's for real but it drains the battery heavily and makes the overall throughput less efficient).

22 posted on 11/08/2023 6:27:11 AM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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I can’t say I know about the batteries being used in Tesla’s, but UPS batteries can only be charged so many times after being drained before going bad. I’m sure supercharging them reduces the life time significantly.


26 posted on 11/08/2023 6:35:38 AM PST by BigFreakinToad (Remember the Biden Kitchen Fire of 2004)
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Off topic but I was just at my local Chrysler dealership this morning. While there, I checked out the new Dodge Hellcat.

Average MPG: 12 city and 21 highway.....

33 posted on 11/08/2023 6:49:21 AM PST by Hot Tabasco
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Well, well. It looks like EV’s aren’t “making the cut!”


35 posted on 11/08/2023 6:52:22 AM PST by RouxStir (No Peein' in the Gene Pool )
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Buying a used EV is a crap shoot and could cost more to replace the failed battery than the vehicle is worth. A friend has a 10+ year old Prius that is on its third battery. The first replacement was done by her husband using a battery purchased from E-bay cost $4k not including her husband’s labor. The second replacement by a Toyota dealer ran $7k. With good maintenance an IC vehicle can often run 200,000 miles and not need an engine replacement.


43 posted on 11/08/2023 7:13:42 AM PST by The Great RJ ( )
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Uber Driver's Tesla Model 3 Battery Dies After 120,000 Miles In 15 Months with heavy supercharging almost daily.

The same is true for rechargeable cell phones. With constant use and heavy recharging, the batteries don't last nearly that long. The dendrites start forming and short circuiting the cells. Just the same as in an EV.

And, if you think about it, internal combustion engines have the same problem only that it is due to friction and tolerances. If you use your car heavily as in Uber with multiple drivers 24x7, the engine will wear out in less time than you think even with good maintenance. And rather than just replacing a battery, it is better to replace it with a refurbished engine (still less cost than an EV battery).

I'd say EVs are not good under heavy use. We need more robust batteries before they would be just as good.

49 posted on 11/08/2023 7:35:22 AM PST by CptnObvious
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So in 2019 he spent 53k on an ev and over this usage saved 10k, which I presume is the difference between gas and charging fees.

I think it would’ve been easy to find a good car for less than 43k in 2019.


50 posted on 11/08/2023 7:37:59 AM PST by fruser1
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One electric car in a favorable environment goes the distance!
53 posted on 11/08/2023 9:22:18 AM PST by Delta 21 (If anyone is treasonous, it is those who call me such.)
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